I was a huge Fall Out Boy fan, a long, long time ago. I was done with them well before "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark", and cannot begin to fathom what would possess anyone to defend that crap. It was pretty clear by Infinity on High that they had run out of ideas and were more or less done making good songs.
i always figured pete wentz' writing is extremely specific and personal. sort of like a code, or metaphors that only he understands. idk maybe i got too into it during my emo phase. i can't really make much sense of Uma thurman either.
the thing is youre not going to like or understand 2010s fall out boy if youre not DEEP into band lore. save rock and roll is deeply entrenched in band lore. american beauty/american psycho is a radio album with a sickeningly emotional core IF youre invested in the band members' 20 year love story. and MANIA… well you really need to know stuff. i can never be mad that people dont get it but boy do i get sad. its so very .
The entire point of fob has always been that Pete, the lyricist and bass player, IS the actual frontman, and Patrick, the singer, guitarist, and main songwriter, ISN'T. Like, that's purposeful. It didn't just happen accidentally. In fact, i feel like they've been pretty open about that.
Patrick basically takes Pete's lyrics books, edits and structures his poetry into a story, and they all chip in to shape that into cohesive songs and albums. You can hear what Patrick brings to the table in how deeply influenced by predominantly black genres of music like blues, r&b, and hip hop. Pete is the black dude in the band and likes black music, but whiteboy Patrick is absolutely rabid about black artists, and will immediately light up and talk a person's ear off on the influence of a given guitarist, producer, or singer on the changing landscape of the blues.
Patrick is a quieter person who values what fame can open up for him artistically, the ability to write and produce music and collaborate with artists he respects, but if he could opt out of the media attention and still have that he probably would. Pete on the other hand is an extrovert who really enjoys attention, always has, ever since he was in the Chicago hardcore scene. And their lyrics are based in his poetry, so of course he should be called to speak more about meaning and wordplay.
The line “Keep you like an oath” immediately draws me back to “You kept me like a secret but I kept you like an oath” which is a Taylor Swift lyric from a few years before this song came out. I really doubt Fall Out Boy wants people to think of Taylor Swift when people listen to them
I was HUGE into FOB with Corktree and Infinity. Their earlier stuff was good, but they really hit their stride with those two albums.
And I was 100% ready to love Folie but „I Don‘t Care,“ while not particularly FOB-sounding, was definitely a fun, swaggering rock song.
I actually read that Stump wasn’t super keen on the lyrics because of how awful the character was but Wentz convinced him that it was awful to the point of being funny and I guess that was what made him able to go with it.
I‘m okay with it. It is literally the ONLY good song on the album.
After that, though… I don’t know. It made sense that they broke up. It makes less sense that they got back together. If anything, I could see Stump and Joe getting together for a new project because I think they would balance each other out as Joe is SUPER into metal (check out The Damned Things‘ „the situation“) and I think Stump‘s pop sensibilities would have steered that project closer to something like a Sum 41 or MCR. Definitely a metal-tinged, punk-ish vibe.
Anyway, yeah. After the breakup, every single was me asking „who is this? It SOUNDS like FOB but like someone is pretending to be them. Or if someone hired FOB to be the equivalent of an audiobook narrator.“
The Tom's Diner sampling on Centuries makes a tiny bit more sense after learning that it was produced by J.R. Rotem, one of the original kings of questionable sampling (Whatcha Say, Beautiful Girls), and he would go on to produce a couple other tracks for emo bands shifting towards pop: Don't Threaten Me With A Good Time for Panic! At The Disco and Talking to Myself by Linkin Park
3:19 Lmao, YouTube's auto-generated captions transcribe what you're saying as "I thought that just the worst thing in the world you could possibly be was female"
Hawthorne Heights gets way too much flack. As a snobbish Midwest emo fan who doesn't even think of most "Hot Topic emo" bands as being actually emo, I have to say, at least Hawthorne Heights tried to do something original. Fall Out Boy spent years trying to rip off New Found Glory and the Get Up Kids to mixed results, Hawthorne Heights went "Sure, we love the Get Up Kids, but you know what else we love? Quicksand" and made an album that was as melodic as radio-friendly pop punk but considerably heavier and more abrasive.
I really like FOB for the most part, but I prefer their older music. Novocaine, Twin Skeletons, Jet Pack Blues, and The Kids Aren’t Alright are really good tho.
Listening to the band describe what the song is supposed to be about is cringe galore. There's pretention, and then there's…I don't even know what to call that.
@orestes0883
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I was a huge Fall Out Boy fan, a long, long time ago. I was done with them well before "My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark", and cannot begin to fathom what would possess anyone to defend that crap. It was pretty clear by Infinity on High that they had run out of ideas and were more or less done making good songs.
@Mika-ko6gp
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
i always figured pete wentz' writing is extremely specific and personal. sort of like a code, or metaphors that only he understands. idk maybe i got too into it during my emo phase. i can't really make much sense of Uma thurman either.
@sethamederat5841
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
jesus not the brendon urie jumpscare i forgot hes in there
@afterdinnercreations936
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
"Put your venom in me!"
That's not Uma Thurman, that's Sigorney Weaver in "Holes"
@ManikaDulcio
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
one thing all fall out boy fans understand is that none of their lyrics makes sense
@MissDebySueSays
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
Those lamb lyrics and all that surrounded it was just…dumb. It's so try-hard it's cringe-embarrassing. Stop.
@pannacottafUWUgo
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
the thing is youre not going to like or understand 2010s fall out boy if youre not DEEP into band lore. save rock and roll is deeply entrenched in band lore. american beauty/american psycho is a radio album with a sickeningly emotional core IF youre invested in the band members' 20 year love story. and MANIA… well you really need to know stuff. i can never be mad that people dont get it but boy do i get sad. its so very .
@starkwords
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
The entire point of fob has always been that Pete, the lyricist and bass player, IS the actual frontman, and Patrick, the singer, guitarist, and main songwriter, ISN'T. Like, that's purposeful. It didn't just happen accidentally. In fact, i feel like they've been pretty open about that.
Patrick basically takes Pete's lyrics books, edits and structures his poetry into a story, and they all chip in to shape that into cohesive songs and albums. You can hear what Patrick brings to the table in how deeply influenced by predominantly black genres of music like blues, r&b, and hip hop. Pete is the black dude in the band and likes black music, but whiteboy Patrick is absolutely rabid about black artists, and will immediately light up and talk a person's ear off on the influence of a given guitarist, producer, or singer on the changing landscape of the blues.
Patrick is a quieter person who values what fame can open up for him artistically, the ability to write and produce music and collaborate with artists he respects, but if he could opt out of the media attention and still have that he probably would. Pete on the other hand is an extrovert who really enjoys attention, always has, ever since he was in the Chicago hardcore scene. And their lyrics are based in his poetry, so of course he should be called to speak more about meaning and wordplay.
@ombrenightcores
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
The line “Keep you like an oath” immediately draws me back to “You kept me like a secret but I kept you like an oath” which is a Taylor Swift lyric from a few years before this song came out. I really doubt Fall Out Boy wants people to think of Taylor Swift when people listen to them
@andrewkathe3471
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
My brother got drunk with Pete Wentz once 😂
@AmyC531
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
The reason to sample it is that it sounds awesome.
@LukePlaysUke
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I was HUGE into FOB with Corktree and Infinity. Their earlier stuff was good, but they really hit their stride with those two albums.
And I was 100% ready to love Folie but „I Don‘t Care,“ while not particularly FOB-sounding, was definitely a fun, swaggering rock song.
I actually read that Stump wasn’t super keen on the lyrics because of how awful the character was but Wentz convinced him that it was awful to the point of being funny and I guess that was what made him able to go with it.
I‘m okay with it. It is literally the ONLY good song on the album.
After that, though… I don’t know. It made sense that they broke up. It makes less sense that they got back together. If anything, I could see Stump and Joe getting together for a new project because I think they would balance each other out as Joe is SUPER into metal (check out The Damned Things‘ „the situation“) and I think Stump‘s pop sensibilities would have steered that project closer to something like a Sum 41 or MCR. Definitely a metal-tinged, punk-ish vibe.
Anyway, yeah. After the breakup, every single was me asking „who is this? It SOUNDS like FOB but like someone is pretending to be them. Or if someone hired FOB to be the equivalent of an audiobook narrator.“
@peanutreject
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
“i guess we’ll see what happens with walk the moon” they should have been big…….they should have been big……
@leaffinite2001
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
Todd greatly overestimates who knows the munsters
Especially the teens into emo did not know that i didnt
@LiquidNitro88
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
If they couldn’t use the Pulp Fiction theme, they should have used the Kill Bill theme.
@nnnArchive
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
See 𝑆𝑜 𝑀𝑢𝑐ℎ (𝐹𝑜𝑟) 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑢𝑠𝑡.
@warnejoseph
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
The Tom's Diner sampling on Centuries makes a tiny bit more sense after learning that it was produced by J.R. Rotem, one of the original kings of questionable sampling (Whatcha Say, Beautiful Girls), and he would go on to produce a couple other tracks for emo bands shifting towards pop: Don't Threaten Me With A Good Time for Panic! At The Disco and Talking to Myself by Linkin Park
@NemesisOwl
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
Jesus Christ this song is dogshit
@robineras477
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
It’s crazy seeing this almost a decade later when fall out boy broke up (basically) and got back together again
@swineherd_
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
3:19 Lmao, YouTube's auto-generated captions transcribe what you're saying as "I thought that just the worst thing in the world you could possibly be was female"
@ForeverGotShorter
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
Hawthorne Heights gets way too much flack. As a snobbish Midwest emo fan who doesn't even think of most "Hot Topic emo" bands as being actually emo, I have to say, at least Hawthorne Heights tried to do something original. Fall Out Boy spent years trying to rip off New Found Glory and the Get Up Kids to mixed results, Hawthorne Heights went "Sure, we love the Get Up Kids, but you know what else we love? Quicksand" and made an album that was as melodic as radio-friendly pop punk but considerably heavier and more abrasive.
@nyxeo
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I really like FOB for the most part, but I prefer their older music. Novocaine, Twin Skeletons, Jet Pack Blues, and The Kids Aren’t Alright are really good tho.
@snowyalice
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
4:02 I had to check my phone wasn't ringing as that's still my ringtone in 2023.
@drengskap
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I'm so glad I'm too old to even have to consider liking Fall Out Boy.
@jvondd
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
Listening to the band describe what the song is supposed to be about is cringe galore. There's pretention, and then there's…I don't even know what to call that.
@nickrunyon5775
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I can deferently agree with music ending in 2008
@jacke.7502
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I own all of Fall Out Boy's albums and listen to them on a regular basis, yet I don't consider myself a fan and I don't know why
@sleepdeprivedpikachu7235
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
patrick stump is reaaaaaaally derpy to be sure. but somehow he pulls off the delivery.
@sleepdeprivedpikachu7235
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
dude. just saying, this is a song that makes more sense the less you try to understand it. just enjoy the ridiculousness.
@trucetruce335
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
“Why the munsters?”
Because it sounds cool
@tovawong2081
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
My guy, they have a song called Disloyal Order of Water Buffalos. There is no connection between title and lyrics whatsoever.
@jimjim9148
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
I work somewhere with a munsters pinball machine that plays the munsters theme fuck this song
@alexmanne
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
This song is atrocious and the sample is a head scratcher. I've always hated it. Fall Out Boy became one of the worst bands in the past 10 years.
@LiquidDahlia
February 27, 2026 at 7:17 pm
Christ, Fall Out Boy is truly awful.
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