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This Woman is EVIL

T1J | October 2, 2024



All of the main characters on Seinfeld are awful people, but we only get to see how one of them became that way.
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  1. @DJ_Cub

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    I love thinking that someone is watching this and actually learning who these people are through this video. Are they laughing? Are they horrified? I must know

  2. @therewasacrookedman5892

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    Thank you for this. I always disliked how Elaine evolved since Larry's credo was the characters weren't supposed to grow. Yet, Elaine was the only character whose personality did change.
    My favorite Elaine personality was the one that wore the long skirts with the ankle socks and oxford shoes.

  3. @mellogic

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    well after elaine's jail time she went on the run plotting her revenge, went into hiding and training and under the new name ID Valentina Allegra de Fontaine and now running government shit lmao

  4. @majora4

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    At the risk of completely missing the main point of the video and getting fixated on a minor detail, I enjoy the Soup Nazi and J. Peterman because they're two of many examples of how the show seamlessly blends reality and fantasy. Most episodes are directly based on a lived experience of Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, or sometimes someone else in the writers' room; and many characters are based on real people. Some are obvious, like Keith Hernandez playing himself, but others are more subtle.

    With specific reference to the two featured in the video, the real person the Soup Nazi is based off of HATES Seinfeld, both the person and the show, and was deeply offended at how he was portrayed. On the other hand, playing the role has been an enormous blessing for Larry Thomas, who now makes a significant portion of his income from reprising the role in commercials and other shows as well as his appearances at conventions and autograph shows.

    J. Peterman is also a based on a real person, although John isn't nearly as weird or eccentric as Jacopo (the character). His company specializes in the type of high fashion where each individual item costs more than every piece of clothing I own put together. The appearance on Seinfeld occurred more-or-less simultaneously with a line of clothing and jewelry to tie with the movie "Titanic," prompting Peterman to rapidly expand the company far beyond the point of sustainability. He filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in 1999, although the company is still in operation today as an online store due in part to a cash infusion from John O'Hurley, who is currently a major shareholder.

    O'Hurley is actually real life friends with J. Peterman, having first met for a character study, and Peterman even appeared on an episode of the game show "To Tell the Truth," hosted by O'Hurley.

  5. @B_Estes_Undegöetz

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    Thanks for the excellent video citizen! It’s only in the intervening decades that I’ve come to recognize and loath what cynical selfish conservative reactionary misanthropes Seinfeld and Larry David truly are, and what a backhandedly conservative, anti-democratic, libelous and bleakly anti-progressive show Seinfeld was; a show whose subtle intention it was to mock all the collective social or class conscious efforts to remedy the already markedly growing economic wealth gap and class divide in America and the world’s capitalist liberal democracies were experiencing.

    By being the cynic on nobody’s side, hating everyone equally, this comedic mode which grew to become the mainstream and orthodox mode of comedy during the Reagan 80s and Clinton 90s and largely remains so to this day, with new desire to allegedly be a break from class conscious and deliberately political comedy and satires, and a promise to allegedly promote a more “friendly” and peaceful “apolitical” approach … and to remain so … simply by mocking everyone equally, finding hypocrisy everywhere they look, and belittling all earnest efforts by the common people to accomplish anything or effect change to be hypocritical and selfish, or futile and stupid. This tells us more about this kind of comedians themselves and how they feel about what they’re doing, and the point of view of the current wealthy powerful ruling class and what is in their interests rather than it does about the society they observe and the character of the common people they so relentlessly mock.

    Cynic is from the Ancient Greek kynikos … “doglike”. The Greeks were pretty clever. Their choice of calling these types of anti-democracy, anti-institution, “anti-people” people, “dogs” was to describe their appearance as many of the first cynics decided outward physical appearance was a hypocritical human institution and they preferred to live more “naturally”, with unkempt appearance and behavior. The other reason for choosing “doglike” however refers to the common practice the wealthy and powerful of surrounding themselves and their homes with a pack of vicious dogs to protect their property and person, and by extension, their privileged position in the social hierarchy. These dogs are trained to hate all things equally that aren’t the master, and are a cheap way to keep genuine political rivals at bay. Today’s comedic cynics perform an identical function … a vicious distraction from the task of criticizing the powerful. The cynic is trained to hate any organized effort to approach or criticize the master.

    The cynical “observational style” trend in comedy that remains the dominant mode to this day began in the Nixon 70s and took off in the Reagan 80s. Mocking everyone equally is a superb way to defend the status quo while appearing to be everyone’s friend … the dog when he wags his tail and and is playful … no one’s friend at all when riled and doing his job defending the ground around him.

    Throughout history the rise of this kind of humor and story telling and the move away from pointed satire occurs when the highest economic and political class becomes exceedingly so … and it’s evident in the Imperial period of Rome (the earlier Republican period which enjoyed significantly more equal power between the rich and the common people and satire was dominant) when cynical “New Comedy” appeared as well as farce and bawdy pantomime to replace socially critical satire. This also occurred in France under the Bourbons absolute monarchs with the likes of the misanthropic Moliere and others in the late 1600s and early 1700s. Satire would re-appear closer to the French Revolution. And even in England on several occasions. With the repeal of the English corn laws in the mid 1800s the class conflict between rich capitalist industrialists and traditional feudal landed aristocracy diminished and they reached a new detente. Comedy saw the rapid displacement of politically charged and class critical satire with the observational “comedy of manners” which tended cynically to see all people as equally hypocritical… as the rich of both classes cooperated and grew astoundingly rich into the “Gilded Age”. Comedy changed to reflect this cooperation to avoid drawing attention to the process by the poor and working class. Authors like Thackeray who famously wrote “Vanity Fair” with no protagonist at all; the “novel without a hero” was shocking in its portrayal of a main character so motivated by selfishness and being surrounded by equally selfish and stupid people at every level and social class she traveled through.

    Historically these types of writers flourish is a period when one socio-economic class has become so dominant they wish not to draw attention to this fact and anyone who hopes to make a living in such a society will comply, and adopt a more cynical misanthropic attitude to humanity … a more Hobbesian view of all society.

    In today’s capitalist world of course the benefits to cynically libeling and slandering everyone who would dare question the means by which the current status quo was achieved, or would criticize the very wealthy dominant ruling class is to be made into a “celebrity” member of some social, race, ethnic, religious, identity group, with the financial spoils that celebrity brings with it. Today the cynical attack dogs keeping the master class safe from criticism can be made rich and famous from the huge financial resources the master class has at its disposal and the media machinery they own and control.

    The celebrity ceases to be a genuine member of whatever social group he or she came from … they join the rich elite ruling class who use their identity as cover in order merely to facilitate the appropriation of the culture of those they came from while taking the payoff and privelege from the rich ruling capitalist class they truly now serve.

    Seinfeld and Larry David are the cynical enablers of the ultra rich capitalist status quo, and their observational style of comedy is far from “apolitical”. By promoting the cynical Hobbesian view of society “war of all against all” and questioning ALL organized institutions of collective action as futile, or hypocritical they show themselves to be part of the problem … NOT part of the solution, as they hope you’ll be foolish enough to think; they hope viewers will mistake the comedy they are seeing as satire, rather than the hateful conservative comedy of manners, or “dark comedy” or “dramedy” … the libel against the common citizenry( not the rich or the ruling class) that it really is.

    By mocking common people as stupid and selfish, they mock our friends, family, neighbors, coworkers, and fellow common working citizens. They promote the notion it’s futile to try to fix or change anything and there is no alternative to our increasingly bleak economic lives. And they make themselves rich celebrities while doing so. Reprehensible really … to make a whole career being “apolitical” in this cynical hateful way.

    As time passes I find Seinfeld and David and comedians like them increasingly deplorable and go out of my way to explain how negative their “apolitical” comedy has been over time by encouraging us all not to bother believing in any institution or anyone’s effort to effect change in society and by encouraging us to look for the flaws and the hypocrisy in all our neighbors, friends, family, coworkers … the one’s most like us that we must join if we hope to fix anything. I’ve come to understand how this “ comedy” is not really apolitical at all … it’s just the cynicism that has been the “alternative” plan-B form of conservative politics that protects the status quo and the interests of the rich and powerful, and is an age-old strategy of the ruling class that goes back at least as far as the Ancient Greeks. The Greeks who very cleverly understood th strategy for what it was and named the political strategy after the vicious dogs used by the ruling classes to protect their homes, property, and persons. A pack of vicious wild animals that seemed to hate everyone equally, but really served a particular purpose of the rich ruling class.

    The doglike cynic is meant to protect the status quo. All that snapping and growling might be distracting, but it’s important never to forget who these dogs master is. They don’t when it comes to feeding time!

  6. @fblack9033

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    I never did like this show. It wasn't the least bit funny and the characters were horrible, evil monsters. Yes, I know that was the point, and they nailed it. Kudos, there. However, the show just made me sick. And don't even get me started on that pile sh!t called "Friends."

  7. @1978Trevino

    October 2, 2024 at 9:02 pm

    I watch this show almost every day since I was in high-school in the 90s. My wife has a love/hate relationship with it but she quotes it often. It's still the best sitcom ever, I do also believe that in the series elaine & jerry self sabotaged all of thier relationships because they knew they'd end up together somehow in some sort of way. Which is why Larry had them have a child together in his redo of the series finale.

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