The Manosphere is Evolving

I need to make another comment about that section around 12:30 with Kevin Samules and hating women being a genre. I’m part of the tiktok debate sphere and my debates are all about politics and religion. I do not do gender stuff at all. I criticize patriarchy whenever I can and I don’t allow misogynists to feel comfortable. But I purposefully avoid “modern women vs modern man 50/50” topics like plague. I signed up to VidiQ just to see if I can get some help on getting more views on YouTube. What did ViDiQ suggest I do? Gender topics. They gave me specific titles too. Titles like “Why Black Men Get With White Women: TRUTH REVEALED!!” Another one said “The WALL of Modern Women.” I am not kidding. Those were real suggestions that VidiQ said would get me thousands of views. Hating women really is a genre.

To me, misogyny boils down less to hate, but the idea that women should be treated differently than men.
It leads to hate more often than hate being the starting place.

I grew up very very Left leaning, heavily into the arts, SJW vibes even.
When I had to learn to go from a boy to a man, the Left did not have the people that were able to help me.
To say it was my fault for not going to people who couldn’t help me when I needed help… doesn’t make sense to me. It was my responsibility to grow up, but if the Left can’t help, then I must go to people on the Right or elsewhere.
Basically none of the people I looked to for help were outright political. But their leanings would show.
I was always very weary of who I went to, and there were some people who were obviously hateful losers. But many of the others were Right leaning. And I became a much better man for it. The Left did not provide what I needed at the time.
I’m certain you are correct that many men dodge accountability of how they need to change, but you are also dodging accountability that the Left as a whole should take on. Meaning just saying yeah there should have been more people lovingly and powerfully addressing men who need to grow and heal if we want them to resonate with us.
To tell men that they should just be better is unhelpful if they need help becoming better……

Eventually I found great thinkers like Robert Glover, David Deida, and Mark Manson. But I did not find them through folks like you, FD. Respectfully.

You’re definitely one of the better men on Youtube I’ve seen talk about men and men’s issues (a term I don’t love) but I think the fact that you couldn’t see the rise of the manosphere coming is a good indicator of your blind spot with gender. This shit has been coming and honestly it should have been pretty easy to spot by anyone that spends a lot of time online. I’m not trying to dunk on you. A lot of writing about gender is just extremely white and there’s no escaping it. Regardless, it’s just clear there’s a couple of foundational misunderstandings imo.

A lot of leftist men do this thing where they define misogyny exactly as you have – hatred of women – and they miss that it’s not just that. Misogyny is a systemic issue. It just presents differently because women are forced to live and interact with their oppressors in a way that’s not characteristic of other forms of oppression. It’s why it doesn’t make sense to talk about “misandry.” Individual women may genuinely hate men but it simply does not stack up to the level of misogyny and it doesn’t make sense to give this extremely isolated phenomenon a word with the same weight. A bitter woman being mean to the men in her life cannot and will not stack up to a life time of BEING a woman, and every single man on this planet benefits from patriarchy, even if he is denied the full benefit because of his membership in another oppressed class.

I think misogyny gets overshadowed a lot both because of its unique presentation and because the brutality of anti-Black racism in America especially makes other forms of oppression look kinda small, especially when it’s the kind that occurs mostly behind closed doors.

I really adore your channel. The work you do is valuable even if it is primarily entertainment. You’ve provided me with some great jumping off points to learn and engage more (offline) with these ideas. But it is always frustrating to see misogyny treated as some little side oppression by leftist men, which I don’t think is the norm for you and it doesn’t appear in this video, but it does appear elsewhere on your channel.

Obviously I’m just a comment but I’d love to see your understanding of gender evolve a little. I know when you’re talking about women you’re primarily talking about Black women, which is great – they need allies, especially within their own communities, but I think a more robust understanding of how gender and patriarchy affects all women (even the white ones) will help you serve the women you’re focused on even more, even if you’re not talking about it explicitly in your videos.

Misogyny had seemingly taken a back seat a little bit culturally but it has been returning in a really strong way as far back as 2016. We need to be prepared to reckon with misogyny as its own system of oppression or we are going to be woefully unprepared for what comes next.

Devolving

Where's the channel of the guy that this video is about

REAL men don't need a "Manosphere"….. sounds gay anyway

Deonte Kyle 🚩🚩🚩 pandering grifter. It's like black women learned nothing from Derrick Jaxn and Ace Metaphor. They fall for anyone who tells them what they want to hear.

No lies told

When it comes Meg thee Stallion.

Few Key points:
1. She invited Tory Lanez to that party cuz her best friend was dating him.
2. She was cheating with Tory behind her best friend back.
3. She then lied about sleeping with Tory to the media.

And the one thing that trips me out is if I get shot and my so called best friend who witnessed the shotting doesn't testify in court, doesn't cooperate or corroborate my story to the police to the media. Then definitely something is wrong here.

Even if we are beefing, you supposedly got shot, that should be enough reason for someone to take your side. In that moment because if he can shoot you then he can probably shoot the best friend too.

Reincarnated! I couldn’t NOT hear Dot while you spoke

11:18 nah unc with the pride flag makes me wonder what the hell he was on about

14:07 to 14:10

5:51 – another woman who is on the “Free Tory Lanez” train is Angela Staton King. She’s not a politician but she is an activist and a staunch Trump supporter.

She went on Willie D Live and advocated for Tory Lanez and she did the same thing with Diddy by saying that she refuses to tear down Black men. What she fails to understand is holding Lanez and Diddy accountable for their actions isn’t “tearing Black men down”. Huey from The Boondocks explained this so eloquently in the R.Kelly episode.

This is the same woman who went to Dr. Phil’s show because she didn’t want to accept her trans child. She even threatened to decapitate a trans activist that was on the show.

The fact that not many of these people are calling out your bad faith arguments, intellectual dishonesty and disingenuous takes is disappointing.

Most women can tell the difference between pandering and genuine concern and understanding

MGTOW FOR LIFE.

That person with Trump in that video you show. The one with the hat. Thats the Grim Reaper. Not a joke.