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my first reaction to The Tortured Poets Department

Mic The Snare | October 4, 2024



You smokеd, then ate seven bars of chocolate
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Let me know your thoughts on The Tortured Poets Department in the comments!

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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
01:02 y’all hate this record, huh?
03:39 i don’t think a lot of you care about music
10:28 wait we actually get to talk about the music?
15:41 the end of an Era

Written by Mic The Snare

Comments

This post currently has 40 comments.

  1. @MicTheSnare

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    For reasons I mention in the video, this one is far looser and rambling than any Taylor video I’ve done before. I hope you still enjoy it the same — I look forward to seeing how TTPD sits with us in the weeks and months to come. New DDD should be out next week.

  2. @BitcoinSkeptic1

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    Taylor’s business choices are destructive to her fans and to the environment. I won’t support them.

    Also, this album wasn’t very good. That judgement of any other artist wouldn’t be controversial.

    I like your videos. Looking forward to the next one.

    But I am very offput by her business choices and I think you are wrong to give her a pass.

    Her artistic choices are her own. They weren’t for me this time.

  3. @Mansae.a

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    One thing I have to say about the “lore” is that she is a songwriter. She is going to write what she knows, how she feels and her experiences and her writing is 100% better for it. It is the people that are obsessed with it that turns me off of the Stan culture or even the hate wave that Taylor has unfortunately garnered. I can relate to her holding on to the hurt and often writing about what people speculate is Kanye and Kim. As a pop music girlie don’t mind if I reference a Shawn Mendes lyric, “I open up my journal to a page, everything that hurts me still the same” and that is so true. The same hurt I had when I started high school is still the same hurt I have now so I can understand why she is still singing about past situations. I personally LOVED the album or at least particular songs like, “who’s afraid of little old me”, “the prophecy” and “I hate it here”. However Folklore and Evermore will still be some of my favourite albums of all time and I don’t see TTPD passing them anytime soon. However I don’t believe that each release has to better than the last so I am not upset about that at all. Definitely loved the Dessner tracks.

    Also when I listen to her so called “revenge songs” I think no one and literally no one does it better than her. She puts words to something often so difficult to describe (especially since I am a Christian and anger is often frowned upon by the church) and my favourite “female rage” songs of hers include: This is why we can’t have nice things, Mad Woman, Would’ve Could’ve Should’ve and Who’s afraid of little old me.

    Sometimes it’s nice to let out all my rage to a Taylor Swift or Olivia Rodrigo song and go back to my gospel music😅

    P.s thank you for letting me use your comment section as a mini rant lol

  4. @baefarm

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I genuinely think that the first album Taylor released post Eras Tour would have gotten this reaction no matter what it sounded like. She spent the last 2 years touring and releasing all of her old music. Her fans exist in clusters of different genres. If you didn’t like folklore/evermore you weren’t gonna like ttpd. If you didn’t like Reputation/Pop Taylor you weren’t gonna like Midnights. She’s always been this way, idk why it’s such a shock to anyone at this point.

  5. @redroverohsix4428

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I’m honestly unsure why any music you use in your videos from other places aren’t ever credited or listed somewhere. Honestly speaking I can’t see a lot of people knowing what the song in the intro was besides me and maybe a few others, even though God Hand should be known to more people generally. I’m unsure if there’s a logistic reason for that or I’m missing something (which honestly if there is a reasonable explanation then I’m totally open to it.) I just notice a lot of people don’t give proper attention to good songs used as background audio on YouTube. With a channel like this where its main focus is music education and discussion I’m still a bit shocked it doesn’t give awareness to something like that.
    Again I’ll repeat, if there is genuinely a reason as to why that is then sorry for wasting your time, but it’s still a question I’ve had on my mind for a decent bit (at least overall, not just on this channel)

  6. @dlcoops

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    Hey Mic – thanks for this, like all your other videos. I am not even a fan of most of the music – it's more about your analysis and commentary. Two quick things: Travis Kelce is pronounced like KEL-see. And – Great Reference to Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism video!

  7. @SaimNazir-w9h

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    Look…I fucking love this album and no one's gonna tell me that otherwise. Hating on tay has become a lame asf trend somehow. The album might lack in the production department a lil bit and i do agree that she needs an editor but..does this make ttpd her worst album? No. The hate it gets is still out of my league and idc what people say about it, i'll listen to whatever my ears r pleased with. People just hate it because it's a Taylor Swift's album.

  8. @margoalex.

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    In fairness, I think I would say that the album is less “bogged down” by the lore and more so that the marketing of the album is. As in, it’s being sold as another record of the lore rather than as another album, if that makes sense. So, when you listen to the album and hear that a lot of the music is meh, there’s nothing else really to talk about EXCEPT for the lore. It’s like what you said about Midnights; almost everything else about the album is interesting (or in this case, easy to get into fights over on Twitter) except for the music itself. So, people use the lore as a justification (sometimes warranted and sometimes not) to not like the album instead of just simply not liking it lmao it’s the curse of the internet and the baggage of Taylor Swift’s public image. And as for the songwriting, sure the lyrics can sound goofier devoid of context, but that doesn’t mean they’re good with context either. Someone else on a different video articulated this better than me, but basically, sure a car can’t move if the tires are all removed, but a car can’t move if the tires are all slashed either.

  9. @scottbuck1572

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I mean I didnt like cause I dont like The National and lyrics like that. I also hated Folklore for the same reason; I simply do not have the capacity to care about middle-age white people complain about existing

  10. @XxGetLikekimmyxX

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    Gonna be honest a huge theme people constantly miss about Taylor swift is her push of white feminism and thats part of the reason why I stopped listening to her new music.. its just her trying to flex on how unhinged she is while simultaneously trying to attract a black audience and mope about how better the 50s would be if it weren't for all the racism lmao. Anything after Red is where i stop personally.

  11. @cuba3543

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I don't get why people are SO upset about critics not liking this album. We ALL rate music, movies, series. Almost nobody said it's mediocre or something. Only that it's not that exciting.

    We ALL work and have our tasks criticized, that's how we improve shit, become better, more aware of what works and what not. I think it's so disappointing when the general response is just "oh, she still gonna be rich and keep making money out of songs". Is this the point of making art? Will we remember this record in 20 years? Is this her Tapestry? Her Blue? Her Rumours?

    I don't known, man. Kind of disappointing take this video.

  12. @subparnaturedocumentary

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    its ok my personal favorite taylor album is midnights i honestly dont really like any of her other ones except 1989. my 1 gripe with the music and not even sure if its her fault really but its with streaming and specifically amazon unlimited and thats because that is all i use listen all i want is the regular album! there are some many versions and remixes and singles and comps its insane!

  13. @chuckrainey8036

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    On the lore thing, and with an extremely obvious ‘IMO,’ I will say that “Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me” is hard to hear without thinking, “why is Taylor Swift singing *this*?” Otherwise I was pleased to hear the album for the first time and focus largely on, you know, the music, though I did have to grit through the ensuing group texts and real-life discussions of “is this one about Matty or Joe?” and so on.

    Anyway—I think Midnights is a better album, but the highlights here are higher, though I don’t love revisiting either of them. I think there is a spinning-of-wheels going on between Taylor and her main two producers; I LOVED evermore because I thought that burrowing deeper into that folklore songwriting zone was presenting greater rewards, and damn do I feel like the monkey’s paw curled as soon as I said that. Much, much more interested to see what the post-Eras/Taylor’s Version phase is. Not for nothing, I think Kanye’s been spinning his wheels HARD (musically) since Life of Pablo and I’m starting to think his output will never recover… so… I hope it’s not like that.

  14. @mikebot6164

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    People are just getting tired of Taylor this, Taylor that. I know we are all losing our ability to concentrate, but would it be too much to ask for her to finish the tour and take a year off ?

  15. @thatRyzzle

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    Here's my thing, and this goes for Star Trek and Star Wars, Beyoncé, and Taylor Switft: I don't hate those franchises or people—I hate their stans, who seem to worship and defend those franchises/people like it's their religion or something. It's really become annoying.

  16. @hapasiuhengalu7586

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I loved Midnights instantly on release, and it only grew on me the more I listened to it
    It had a bitter through-line to be sure, but it felt more mature and self-aware than any of her pre-pandemic work, but also waaaay more fun than Folklore or Evermore (still great albums tho)

    If Blank Space was a spoof of how Taylor is perceived by the general public/media, Anti-Hero felt to me like an honest look back and a genuine moment of “were they right?”, that still had room to be a bit tongue in cheek

    The album left me feeling like it was written by and for someone who was ready to break a cycle of heartbreak and trauma

    By contrast, TTPD feels like a step backwards in one’s emotional growth
    The titles and the lyrics feel pettier than ever, and less poetic, and not just the meme lines taken out of context
    The idea that Taylor daydreams of being a kept woman like in the 1800s isn’t just immature because it was an objectively worse time to be alive, it’s a regression from You’re On Your Kid; “yes you can face this, you’re on your own kid, you always have been”

    On top of that, the production on TTPD feels so lifeless and needlessly melancholy
    I’m realizing I just don’t like Aaron Dessner’s production on Taylor’s music nearly as much as Antonoff’s

    The only real highlight for me is I Can Do It With A Broken Heart (one of Antonoff’s tracks) which is the only track that feels to me like it has any energy and sense of humor

    I know real people, even billionaire artists regress, and real progress is non linear, and messy, and the artists I like are not responsible for releasing the things that specifically I want from them

    I’m glad that she wrote the things that were eating at her during the Eras Tour, and I hope this was a constructive and lucrative exercise

    I also hope that anyone genuinely connecting and resonating with the material is safe and on their way to becoming their best selves

    This one really wasn’t for me, and admittedly I’ve been spending too much time and energy IRL apologizing on behalf of and defending this album from people who hate on it for more insidious reasons than I (which I recognize I did of my own volition without any expectation of compensation or brownie points)

    I don’t think time will change my mind on this record, but I am open to the possibility

    PS If I’m bringing lore into the conversation, this lady just went on the largest tour in history (even adjusted for inflation), literally changed the global economy, and then the movie distribution model, and then came home and won the SUPER BOWL
    I was expecting a victory lap! She could’ve dissed Drake first! It’s just big her!

    Instead she released a bunch of feel sorry for me songs that should’ve stayed in the vault at a time when no one in their right mind could ever have any sympathy for her

  17. @meowtherainbowx4163

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I think music discourse has the same problem as drama YouTubers and even professional journalism where everyone needs to be the first to a story. It doesn't feel like you're allowed to take time to develop an opinion. You also can't be moderate or neutral; hot takes only.

  18. @adritachanda

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    Discourse about the music has dwindled for Taylor because she has leaned into it. The instrumentation on this record is so vapid. I personally got nothing out of it. Even the lyricism was a let down. The highlight was denser's production.

  19. @jamesd5761

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    It's a subdued album of good quality with no songs standing out from the whole.. it might be my least favourite of hers but I still enjoyed it, only major complaint is how bogged down she gets with all the petty drama.. the whole KIM gimmick is just a bit immature and i didnt like how belittling she gets in 'the smallest man who ever lived'… like saying your ex isnt a real man and deserves to be in prison… its such a toxic pettiness… it annoys me mostly because it distracts from the music and she could really practice some more subtly in her lyrics, or write more from a place of love like in 'so high school'.. overall more positives than negatives imo 7.5/10

  20. @dirkardostevergreen4827

    October 4, 2024 at 2:36 am

    I just don't think she's that talented as a song writer. I don't get what the hype is all about. Her life story and massive level of fame is remarkable, her music is … fine. I've listened to her new album. Not the worst thing I've ever heard but nothing that amazing in my opinion. The production was nice, the lyrics were ok I guess but I thought the songs were pretty half-baked with predictable chords and song structures.

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