Veganism, Psychedelics, and OnlyFans – 750k Subscriber Q&A

Is plant not living things

7:53 causing unnecessary suffering is always wrong. the fact that people do it, does not make it right. vegans seeing vegan bodybuilding as something good, does not make crop deaths moral.
veganism is always about avoiding harm as much as possible and practicable. don’t let perfection be the enemy of good.

Wah wah wah the entire section on veganism. Keep up the mental gymnastics. You got the money now just stop talking about it youve done enough harm already.

It is not about ANY amout of harm to animals, it is that you just treat them like their life has a value and they are not just a kind of resource

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Practically all animals we eat only exist because they will get eaten. And a painfree death is no suffering. And plants are also living beings.
Also eating meat is not autmatically linked to mass livestock farming. A animal living with few suffering and a quick painfree death or not being born at all, what is better? U are not coherent here.

Alex o’Connor just admitted that unnecessary suffering is not always immoral. I thought I would never see the day

Your answer about the crop deaths just makes me think perhaps we should work out how to farm crops without the crop deaths? My approach to that would be researching into ways of how to reduce the crop deaths as much as possible because I do believe you're right, those animals would be dying unnecessarily. I wonder if there are some vegans already researching this? Unlike factory farming, perhaps crop farming doesn't inherently necessitate animal suffering and there may be methods to fix this. However, veganism also relates to a triage concept because most of the suffering is coming from those who consume animal products, so in terms of utilitarian helping most lives for less, I think focusing more on those who haven't switched to veganism would be good.

Maybe it is also with necessity less about "health" and more about "thriving". Can humans thrive on a vegan diet? Yes. Do humans deserve to thrive? In my opinion, yes. Would body building be a necessity for some people to thrive? I don't know… Perhaps? What is the need here and what is the cost? Is the body building doing enough for the movement to convince others to lower their animal intake that it justifies itself? I don't know.

Vegan that appreciates your thoughtfulness about veganism. We should always true to be objective and better understand what it takes for us to have what we have.

Last – I invite you to formalize your premises regarding the morality of the treatment of animals. I do not understand the focus on unnecessary when you talk about suffering. It gets very muddy when contrasted with the human need for nourishment. Likewise, what exactly makes the issue a moral one? And why isn't it a moral concern to run a harvester over corn?

I like how everyone is arguing for veganism using their logic and philosophical knowledge but don't seem smart enough to understand that vegan diets pale in nutrition and health compared to a diet with animal products…

But why is killing animals so wrong when we are made to eat meat? And I don't want to hear that we are not😆

I think there is a serious problem with the expression “unnecessary”. If a woman deliberately gets pregnant, that baby will eat crops and crops cause crop-deaths. Getting pregnant was not “necessary”.

And of course, if everyone used that logic to desist from pregnancy…

The vegan bodybuilder argument is a fun point to think about but obviously the main goal of veganism is to reduce animal suffering, and in not farming animals directly it is causing incalculably less animal suffering than directly farming and killing animals. "No harm", would obviously be the aim and I don't think it's logically incosistent to have a stated aim vs. a practical way of life. For example, any time a vegan gets in the car and drive even a small distance they probably accidently kill many insects as they drive.

You say you didn’t have much to say about psychedelics then put into words the most succinct explanation of what makes them most special?

For the concept of authority to exist we need free will, if you have an addiction and you take authority of your situation and change it, it’s because of free will, it would be easier to keep the addiction most of the times unless it’s become so damaging to you and people around you that it would be easier to quit the addiction but most of the times addictions don’t go that far and people are able to overcome them despite it being easier to just go on with the addiction

I like to think of the prefix ‘in’ to imply a negative connotation in most circumstances but the root word genius lacks the ‘o’ of ingenious which sounds like a clever way to trick etymology