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The friendship recession | Richard Reeves

Big Think | October 27, 2024



Why friendships are becoming rarer in America, explained by author Richard Reeves.

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Richard Reeves, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, discusses the importance of friendships and the potential “friendship recession.” He notes that loneliness can be as harmful as smoking 15 cigarettes per day, but measuring and quantifying friendships is difficult. According to Reeves, an ideal number of close friends is around three or four.

But alarmingly, 15% of young men today report having no close friends, compared to 3% in the 1990s. The COVID pandemic has further tested friendship networks, with women being the most affected due to their friendships’ reliance on physical contact. Other factors likely have contributed to the decline in friendships in the 21st-century U.S., including geographical mobility, parenting demands, workism, and relationship breakdowns.

Reeves emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and nurturing friendships as they don’t form spontaneously. Admitting the desire for friends requires vulnerability and openness, which may be difficult for some individuals.

0:00 A friendship recession
1:20 4 friendship formations
1:54 How many friends do people need?
2:21 The ideal relationship
3:03 Why are we losing friends?
4:20 Friendship & your health
5:07 Male friendships
5:43 Female friendships
6:27 The dystopia we must avoid
7:20 The hardest thing to admit

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About Richard Reeves:
Richard V. Reeves is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, where he directs the Future of the Middle Class Initiative and co-directs the Center on Children and Families. His Brookings research focuses on the middle class, inequality and social mobility.

Richard writes for a wide range of publications, including the New York Times, Guardian, National Affairs, The Atlantic, Democracy Journal, and Wall Street Journal. He is the author of Dream Hoarders (Brookings Institution Press, 2017), and John Stuart Mill – Victorian Firebrand (Atlantic Books, 2007), an intellectual biography of the British liberal philosopher and politician.

Dream Hoarders was named a Book of the Year by The Economist, a Political Book of the Year by The Observer, and was shortlisted for the Goddard Riverside Stephan Russo Book Prize for Social Justice. In September 2017, Politico magazine named Richard one of the top 50 thinkers in the U.S. for his work on class and inequality.

A Brit-American, Richard was director of strategy to the UK’s Deputy Prime Minister from 2010 to 2012. Other previous roles include director of Demos, the London-based political think-tank; social affairs editor of the Observer; principal policy advisor to the Minister for Welfare Reform, and research fellow at the Institute for Public Policy Research. Richard is also a former European Business Speaker of the Year and has a BA from Oxford University and a PhD from Warwick University.

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  1. @역주행-m9w

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    네가 사는 사회 무섭다.
    나랑 많이 안 맞고.
    예를 들어, 나 고모랑 화해 했거든?
    고모가 나에게 눈치를 줬어.
    완전한 화해는 아니라고.
    그런데 그 눈치를 내가 빌려주기로한 1000만원 현찰을 인도하기 전에 줬어.
    즉, 고모는 고모가 나한테 완전한 화해는 아니라고 눈치를 준다고 해서 -> 내가 고모를 공격하기 위해 그 1000만원을 갑자기 안 빌려준다고 하지는 않을 거라고 생각했다는 뜻이지.
    즉, 내가 사는 레벨의 사회에서는 둥글둥글해.
    너가 사는 레벨의 사회처럼 뾰족하지 않아.
    뾰족= 친구 아님 적. 적은 공격 대상.
    둥글. 친구 아님 적. 적이어도 공격 대상은 아니고 멀리하고 피하는 대상.
    네가 사는 사회 나랑 너무 안 맞는다.
    왜 공격을 하냐ㅠㅠ
    심지어 내가 no war no war 여러번 말했잖아?
    공격하지 말라고ㅠㅠ
    왜 공격을 하는 거야 자꾸ㅠㅠ
    나 너 공격 받았을 때 진짜 너가 아픈 만큼 나도 아팠어.
    믿거나 말거나.

    내가 계속 말 했지.
    난 내 아기를 낳아주는 여자만 사랑한다고.
    난 다 선 조건 후 사랑이라고.
    그게 내 사랑법이라고.
    내가 무조건적으로 네 편들어주길 원하면 내 아기 빨리 낳아라.

  2. @ugomariapablo

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    There is always something transactional in all friendships, even if it's the friendship itself. No one is friends with whom they dislike. The love of the concupiscence perceived in the other is a reward in itself.

  3. @LibertyScott-x6i

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    My experience with friends has been dangerous. Ex spouse and best friend thought it would be great to drug me without my knowledge because I was just to “uppity”.
    2 spouse had cameras in the home and became a perversion of upskirting and acting out fucked up fantasies.
    Neighbors steal from dead people’s yards or think friendship means they can put hands on your body.
    Friendship is not safe in my my experience. Tried college- no friends. Vicious social networks and hate everywhere.

  4. @LibertyScott-x6i

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    I agree with this description. I have found that friendship has turned into predatory behavior. The transactional way people interact- you see this in the hookup apps. No one is altrusitic. Been burned by so many “friends” that friendship has become dangerous. Drugs. Money. Hate.

  5. @Avalon_1991

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    As soon as people get into relationships you either see them a lot less or they drop you completely. You're lucky to see them once every 2 or 3 months. If you're the one not in a relationship you get left behind especially when they want to do couple stuff. I literally went to the same show as one of my friends so I messaged him where he was sitting and he said he didn't want to sit with me. In the end you just give up messaging them as you know it will be a "no" or more often than not they'll just ignore you. That's my experience anyway. Now I just get a ticket for one to different shows or go to the cinema by myself. It's like that scene in How I Met Your Mother in the Time Travellers episode where Barney tells Ted "look around, Ted, you're all alone".

  6. @EnronnSierra

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    The problem with friendship, its become too transactional. I can give the best example, a friend of mine requires we meet at a bar every week for kareoke. This is a week night, when I should be resting to go to work the next day. On top of that, I have to buy a beverage to reduce the pressure of social awkwardness and on top of that pay a tip. This can end up turning in two drinks coming out to 18 dollars. And the reality is, its just chit chat about current affairs and nothing else. So, its a mental stress to come up with something to talk about, to spend money to socialize and because I don't have a car, I sometimes have to walk or take the bus home. So, this ends up taking a lot out of me financially, mentally and physically. There is no reward in it except being a burden. I skipped two recent meet ups, one I was sick and the other I just couldn't bother, but this friend insisted on a meetup at their house this recently, but they want to make it a potluck where I bring something to eat. Now, this is extra burden in terms of labor to prepare a meal in addition to my weekly meal prep for my lunches, buying extra food which would be additional expense in an economy still under the grips of inflation. This is what friendships look like in 2024 and its not just this one. I've had to cut off friends who have tricked me into situations where I had to foot the entire bill at a restaurant. The other part of it is how there is a lack of dependability in 'friends' group. For a year now, I've made my intentions known about wanting to get my drivers license and no one never said, hey, do you want to setup a time to practice and familiarize yourself in the drivers seat and driving on the road? I'm seriously ready to let them know I don't have time for this anymore or make some wild story I'm moving to a different county. I want practical friends but in some ways, I don't even want friends to begin with, too many strings attached.

  7. @hipidipi20157max

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    Internet and many "influencers" divide people by telling them they are special or better than others …the sigmas, alfas, gamas (all bullshit) , the extrovert, introvert, the supposed "toxic" people, the "true" or "untrue" christian, gay or not gay, democrat or republican, income inequality, those who get dates and those who dont, etc, etc.

  8. @peanbean1973

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    Its weird i actually like living poor vs my old wealthy neighborhood. It was like kids were too spoiled to enjoy real life with each other or something. Always wanna go to some cool event that cost 100 dollars. I live in a small town now and work at a pizzaria. Me and my friends just kinda do nothing together. Go to the store. Cook food. It's pretty nice.

  9. @Doug778

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    My friend of 32 years complains about her friend who is also her neighbor and coworker always being on her phone, glued to her phone, cant put it down.
    Its funny the last 3 years whenever im around my " friend" she cannot put her phone down..
    Im no longer interested in keeping her in my life.

  10. @watchout5508

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    I want to share my recent experience:
    Im a 24yr old male and have had many past friends, they've almost always been surface level, because I was mostly finding myself and that nonchalantness was expected (due to society and etc). More recently ive experienced alot in the real world and grown as a person to the point where I no longer hold interest in maintaining surface level friendships, I know who I am and what I can offer and provide, and that is Support, compassion, and consideration.
    Coincidentally thats what I expect from my friendships now too, because why should I be the only one being human in this relationship?
    Now on to my most recent experience.
    I had a friend, lets call him X, now ive known X gor over a year and weve hanged out alot, we went hiking together, even with his GF and his other friend. When i entered our friendship I promised to myself Ill be the friend he deserves and the truest friend he can ask for, i wanted to be there for him, i want him to be happy and find value in our friendship. And so it went on we got close and generally got along well. There were stumbling points, but what friendship doesnt? The important thing was that I made sure to communicate through the issues and it always worked out. Untill one day. One evening actually.
    The week prior he had broken up with his GF and reached out to me, I could tell he was scared and unsure as to what to do or expect. So i offered to have him spend that weekend by me, we hung out, we drank, watched movies and even went for walks cause ofc theres only so much you can do at home.
    Towards the end of this weekend, once I was sure he felt better, I asked him something..at the time I thought not much cause I thought the answer was obvious. Anyway, that question was, "am I ur best friend?".
    His answer was at first silence and then followed up with, "I dont really have best friends".
    Obviously this struck me, but I didnt pay it much mind until after he left and the next week began. Through out the nxt week the feeling kept scratching at me and it made me look closer into our friendship and I came to the worrying conclusion that im jst his surface level friend.
    So I decided to put this to the test and acted the same to him as he did to me.
    Needless to say he got very upset and scolded me, claiming my behavior was unwarranted and he didnt deserve it. I thought abt it and responded with an apology and explained how I felt and why I did what I did.
    All I wanted was recognition for the effort i put into our friendship and the support I provide, and I made this clear to him. He however took offense to this? He claimed he doesnt need to care because according to him 'im not his gf' so who am I to expect better?

    You can imagine what this did to me.
    Yet I still tried to be understanding and explain why his actions hurt me, but he kept making himself out to be the victim? Never once did he apologize for how he made me feel or anything, he just kept justifying his actions.
    (This was all over text)
    Eventually he simply told me im being "too much" and ended the friendship.

    I still think abt all this alot cause it sent me into a hectic spiral of depression but luckily my other true friend was there to help me out of it.

    This is what I mean when I say i dont want surface level friendships. All I wanted was recognition and appreciation from X, but all I got was…well anger.

    Im not rushing into any other friendships again. I hope that makes sense.

    If you read this far, thanks, and I hope you find the strength to value urself like the true friend you deserve ❤

  11. @soapgirlsrule

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    My biggest issue to making/keeping friends is that most people want more than they're giving. They want free babysitting, they want to use me as their free therapist, they want help with things but won't check in on you or ask you how you're doing.

  12. @JP-re3bc

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    The meaning of "friend" varies a lot and is very subjective. I know people that have a lot of "friends" but in my book they are just business acquaintances, not friends. In my own definition I have no friends.
    Practical Japanese came up with a new concept, there you can hire a friend. Mostly like in New York where for many people their best friend is their psychiatrist, at the rate of a few hundred dollars per hour. Japanese hired friends are much cheaper.

  13. @EmilyBieman

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    Gov is to blame, they want people fighting and at war, in order to make money, work and then are more easily controlled by gov. People have fallen for it hook line and sinker! But actually, I do not believe people need to have friends, to be a ‘whole and complete’ person.

  14. @whoami6702

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    I believe it was Walt Whitman who sang praises to the solitary life.

    How a person defines friendship for themself will determine their experience of loneliness or companionship. A deeper sense of self-awareness means a deeper sense of self-contentment. This means there is always an inherent sense of friendship with everyone encountered.

    The sense of loneliness is the consequence of a friendship that has exclusivity to it…which is the nature of how most define friendship to be.

    When friendship is truly unconditional, wanting nothing in return other than to be with them, friendship is felt everywhere & with everyone.

  15. @ferabo1

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    At the end of my relationship with my wife, all my friends left too. Loyalty is something that is difficult to find in a friend and I thought I had found them but I was wrong. In the end they only showed me that I never belonged to their group. Now I walk alone and it hurts sometimes and I try to constantly remind myself that I am not alone, that I have myself.

  16. @cescu2

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    There is to much individualism today. Best friendships I've ever had were those were we hunt and ate together. If friend in a group fell behind in an aspect of life, everyone in the group would stop competing individually to help the other catchup with the rest of the group. One day I woke up rich, all my problems gone, I instantly got access to freedom and everything I wanted. That was the time when I was most alone. This was because my friends were still working 9-5, so it didn't matter that I had all the free time in the world. When you are too far ahead in life compared to your friends you will end up walking alone, stop running forward, turn back and catch-up with the group and help them run as fast as you or learn to walk like them

  17. @icomefast8391

    October 27, 2024 at 9:15 pm

    it's true I guess. I have a ton of close friends whom I hang out with everyday. We are connected through video games, school friends and even extra curricular friends though there's no one that trustworthy enough for me to express my feeling. I have tried once in the past but my feeling seemed to be nothing but a one-side rambling to them so whenever something clouds my mind, i will just take advice from my parents

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