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Jaron Lanier: Why Facebook Isn’t Free
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Internet pioneer Jaron Lanier argues that free technologies like Facebook come with a hidden and heavy cost – the livelihoods of their consumers.
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Jaron Lanier:
Jaron Lanier is a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and author.
Lanier’s name is also often associated with Virtual Reality research. He is credited with either coining or popularizing the term ‘Virtual Reality’ and in the early 1980s founded VPL Research, the first company to sell VR products. In the late 1980s he led the team that developed the first implementations of multi-person virtual worlds using head mounted displays, for both local and wide area networks, as well as the first “avatars”, or representations of users within such systems.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Jaron Lanier: Right now the advent of better and better information tools is having a contracting effect, where more and more the economy is being made efficient in this way that concentrates the wealth of those who make it efficient. I mean, just think about the day that all those cabbies out there lose their job because the cars are driving themselves. What are they going to do? I don’t think they’ll be happy, but whoever does that will become very, very rich. So whoever owns the top server in a big efficiency-making exercise becomes very, very rich. So there is this huge concentration even as the overall economy is shrunk as a result.
So the valuation of Facebook is just completely normal given the way information technology is being integrated into this society, and it’s not the last. This will just keep on happening until we realize that it’s not sustainable. And there’s nothing wrong with Facebook being treated as valuable. The only problem is that it should be increasing value for everybody.
I’m going to use a different company as an example, an old less fashionable one, which is Walmart. So, Walmart was one of the pioneers of using computer networks to make the world efficient for — consumers anyway. Walmart in the 80s and 90s started to develop its own version of digital networking, especially in the 90s, to precisely calibrate who to buy from at the best price, where to ship it exactly, when and how to ship it, and how to stock it and at which store when, I mean this whole incredible system, and as a result of that it was able to look to offer lower prices to its customers. And everybody said, “Yay, lower prices!” But the thing is, it became so big so fast, which is what happens when you do digital networking, that it kind of took over the world and changed its own environment to make the whole environment of retailing consumer goods and creating them more efficient in this certain way that impoverished its own customer base. So all of the sudden its very own customers have fewer job prospects. All of the sudden its customer base gets poorer, and now it’s kind of dug itself into this rut, where Walmart is no longer as exciting a retailer as it was because what’s it going to do? And it’s trying to sort of climb upscale, but it can’t because its customer base can’t support it.
So to me Facebook is essentially Walmart for a new generation, but Facebook is saying, “Free services, free social networking! Free! Free!” and everybody is saying “Yay, it’s free!” But then the problem with that is that the job prospects for the vast majority of people are actually gradually decreasing as less and less stuff is monetized.
So what you want to do to have an information-based economy and preserve capitalism is to monetize more and more of the world instead of less and less of the world because you want the market to be growing instead of shrinking. But the problem with the Facebook approach is it’s monetizing less and less because to say, “No, all this is free. Your reward for participating is reputation, karma, connections” — and all those things are very real, but they’re not monetized. They’re not securable. You can’t get a house mortgage based on your Facebook reputation
What I would do is I would turn it into this commerce platform so that people can send money around for things and then I’d gradually start to adjust it so people are monetizing more and more, so people can put up their art to sell to others either with a Kickstarter type of a thing or an app store kind of a thing.
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@jaydvbaby
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
This fool is rooting for capitalism because of his stocks but, he knows, in his subconscious that this is not sustainable. No one can order Silicon Valley to behave socially. It is too late. Prepare for the next …digital bubble.
@AzleapyChannel
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
I have so far not seen any ads on your videos. It’s really nice to have a place with no ads, that space is shrinking every day. But as you say, it probably cannot be avoided for much longer. I’ll look into the adblock
@genesiskravitz8621
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
People can say whatever they want to say but this guy is ESTABLISHED and SUCCESSFUL and RESPECTED! Those are three feats in life that many die without experiencing. He's incredibly bright! No one can take that away. PLUS he has a very attractive wife. SOMEONE thinks he looks great! 🙂 Be safe, haters
@N0Xa880iUL
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
This guy is a genius. This is exactly what is happening.
@supremereader7614
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Thanks 🙏
@mral6809
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Free? They sell ads but not as well as Google / YouTube (as a commercial plays as I type). The free games on your phone take your information and sell it while showing ads that those app makers get paid. The ads are selling physical products, services, other aps, shit for its own app and even the occasional fraudulent scam. This type of business has been going on since the beginning of advertising.
TV was never free. It was always paid for by companies selling their products. Even if you were the idiot that paid a Cable company so you could get more commercials which means you were commercially screwed until Netflix. Getting content (movies / shows) that didn't contain commercials is somewhat a new thing. Anyone remember commercials at the beginning of your VHS movies or DVD's or BlueRay's?
@mastermike666
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
sounds like "solve money with more money" but hey, what do i know
@jollyman22
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
He looks like the stoner you think he is.
@belgianshepherddog5047
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Love to listen to this guy about social media.
@margaretschachte489
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Interesting point 🤔
@mattasticmattattack
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Can we elect this guy for the head of the department of treasury?
@Sebaschen3346
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Who else loves liking a comment to make it a round number?
@iansaunders2781
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
this guy is just… no. he's like the vegan who wants to endlessly preach about how you shouldn't be eating what you like to eat. literally all videos under his name are under this same bullshit topic. who is buying this? isn't YOUTUBE (the thing he is posting on and getting well known on) a SOCIAL network? This whole thing is a giant circlejerk.
@wendywendy646
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Being too modernize just kill jobs and impoverised the mass customer base. Result people find themselves without jobs, no income and becone poor. Just like mega malls that have everything provided in one concentrated place killing economy & micro business sustaining everyone in the society.
@Miamor610
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
I take issue with his pro-capitalist stance. Facebook as a tool for further alienation is dangerous.
@doctorj7112
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Great points
@BigButtPaperWings
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
i love this guy so much! i always had so many questions about all these things and finally there is someone who answers them!
@fouedbouaita8727
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
I admire this man…
@BarryManilowa
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
I love his sardonic humor.
@MattQrillz
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Hey Jon, whens the next korn album coming out?
@mattconns626
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
what's great about this is he's talking about the future of the ERC-20 platform without naming it. Having value on the internet is coming.
@72Partners
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
he looks like someone from a band.
@ferce889
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Everyone likes to think they know whats best for the world hahahhaa
@jordanjackson7171
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
he is talking about the economic incentives on the blockchain
@LucasDanielSantoro
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Well, I truly belive the tendency is for jobs to disappear and machines to do all the work. It's silly to try to go the other way arround. The real problem relies on income distribution and social equality.
@CsoSly
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
I love hearing Jaron's perspective. I suspect many of these nasty comments are bot accounts.
@tuscanyiscol
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
This is so wrong it hurts
@ryand1404
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Alright, the incompetence in the comments is appalling. (I don't care about how he looks, don't be so shallow. I'd like to discuss the ideas he is talking about). If you didn't understand, let me try to take a stab at summing it up in few words. Walmart tried to be as efficient as it could, reducing costs of paying people, having fewer workers. It seems nice for them in terms of making more profit. But, by doing these things, customers had less money because they were not making money FROM Walmart because WalMart wasn't hiring them or helping customers make some bank. Because customers were not making money, they were not able to , as customers, give WalMart more revenue. Facebook really doesn't need that many employees, and few customers are making money from it. Facebook isn't free because people are not making money when they could be. If someone feels that this understanding is wrong, please reply, I'd like to discuss and learn.
@namename7129
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
And that's why citizen salary makes sense
@Luftgitarrenprofi
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
tl;dr: Money does not control the world. Exploiting human desires in subtle and shady ways controls the world.
@oldones59
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Thanks for your candor, Mr. Lanier.
@deluke227
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
2016-Screw taxi drivers we got smart cars now!
@feedthewolvesuk8858
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
looks like a fucking troll on magic mushrooms, just wash your hair mate…..
@oli_kester
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
"preserve capitalism" nonononono
@rajarr70
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
this guy seriously needs to shave the beard, remove the dreads, lose alot of weight & get better sleep, and he would probably look normal..
@makemedisappearx
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
This is Ello.co
@linskies1
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Lol he looks like a druggie.lmfao!
@aSkepticalTruth
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Is he an albino black person?
@arkoraa
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
This guy has no idea how facebook operates
@JonathanFiggis
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
This doesn't make sense in 2015 especially after Facebook just released their 3rd Quarter accounts showing huge increase in revenue. They are monetizing Facebook (much to the delight of Wall Street) as it just can't exist for free. Organic reach on posts has dramatically decreased so you have to pay to reach more people. This is a good thing as you can't have everything for free as it's not sustainable, as Jaron Lanier says.
@lucianpana8432
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
you don't deserve your dreadlocks.
@shucksful
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
Makes cents to me….
@dookiejuju192
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
is it just me or does dred locks look fucking nasty
@slesperado
April 6, 2026 at 4:17 pm
If people are dependent on Facebook posts to pay their mortgages, then there is something wrong with those particular people.