Is Anime Fan Service Bad Art? | Philosophy Tube

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   @amehayami934

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   You're part way there? About 5-10% way there?
   Actually you missing the point of Kill La Kill.
   There is 4 types of people who like to talk about Kill La Kill.
   The fakes who didn't watch it,
   The ones who did watch it but is to
   Put off by the "fan service " to Actually see the message that it was Blatantly SREAMING!
   And the one's who did watch it and was to much into the "fan service" to care about what the message is.
   And last but not least in any way.
   Us the lvl 1,000 mind lol
   Who understands everything about this Anime.

   This is a story about fascism, clothing, and freedom.
   Humans doesn't make the clothing,
   The clothing makes the human.
   Clothing is a tool buy fascist.
   It is used to control you.
   Ever wounder why Reich-wingers are so obsessed with the "right gender" is wearing the clothes?
   It puts you in categories.
   Male/Female rich or poor.
   If anyone was paying any attention to wtf was going on think they made this Blatantly clear. That is one part of it the other part is about Sexualization.
   Yes it focuses on women more.
   For 2 reason
   (1) women gets sexualized the most. And the whole thing of
   "Well if you was wearing that it's your fault' like I said controlling.
   (2) they are trying to link and hoping you will figure it out that
   Sexualizing = violence
   Every part of that Anime is there for a reason yes including the R***
   Part.
   And it is also trying to say that the more you make the clothes apart of who you are the less freedom you have.
   The "fan service " is trying to say the less clothes you have the more free you are.
   The clothes gives you power if you submit to the system.
   Being naked give you no power but you are all equal and free. It spells it out if you stop ogling boo s lol
   Incase you didn't notice to organization Nudist Beach was the same way did you I see them Sexualizing each other? No
   And even at the very end when everyone was naked was any of them Sexualizing each other?
   Maybe you was? But not them.

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   @Elektrochoke

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   Please, please, please, check Kunihiko Ikuharas work. Particularly Revolutionary Girl Utena and Yuri Kuma Arashi, I can’t think of any animes more worthy of Philosophy tube

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   @bruhfvdf3145

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   The 9/11 link doesn’t work 🙁

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   @questioningespecialy9107

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   1:46 Generally speaking for all shows, yeah. The non-well-done fanservice is a distraction that (at best) keeps the audience engaged/interested and (at worst) distracts the audience from the experience. Most of the time, I look down on sexual and romantic (yeah, I'm goin' there) fanservice that's clearly unnecessary and outta nowhere. 'Tis a sign of either 1) an insecure creator or 2) the taint of capitalism. 🤷🏿‍♂

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   @Jiminy-do-999

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   This watches like the seed of the idea of the intro to CJ the X's Art Sins video.

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   @Jiminy-do-999

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   I think "fanservice" can also refer to non-sexual elements that were clearly added to please fans, potentially at the expense of thematic coherence or artistic vision. E.g. bringing a popular side character into a more prominent role, but not actually writing anything compelling for them to do. Or having a couple get together because the fans ship them, but actually flattening their individual character arcs and nuances in doing so.

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   @rekall76

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   similarly challenging: Mezzo DSA… but ultimately (i think) so, so worth it

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   @jesselash3153

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   Ethical defects don't necessarily impact the substance or quality of a work, but they do add a meta layer of complexity to participation with that work. If you are looking for a work to say its peace, and you take it or leave it, you can't stop there. You have to reconcile this ethical defect, and sometimes it isn't worth my participation to be entertained by a work this complex. This applies more to even a benign work generated by a malignant creator, but it's sort of true of seeing 2D butts more than you would have thought necessary.

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   @incognito5202

   September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

   Yeah, most fan service doesn't mean well but that doesn't mean it's bad for anime to have fan service

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    @inesatt1313

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    In my opinion TRUE Fanservice should be about you know something intresting breaking the usual formula like for example characters who are usually serious finds themselves in the middle of a snow fight or a pillow fight and the other party does want them to join but they don't instead they later on found themselves joining the game and they have fun until the next day they return to their usual formula😉

    I mean as a Demon Slayer fan myself the TRUE FANSERVICE was Nezuko's cuteness and Tanjiro's kindness along with Zenitsu and Inosuke funny moments and character development and Kyojiro Rengoku's amazing story✊️

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    @williamnailen6640

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    1. Sex sells. You can be the greatest storyteller or artist on the planet and die in obscurity. Horny teenagers are going to consume. 2.Before judging Japan and its products, you have to go through a LOT of its history. Japan is a HIGHLY aesthetic culture. It is also, currently, extremely chauvanistic in its focus on society, and has been that way for literally thousands of years. Ironically, it also has what might be viewed as an extremely permissive society when it comes to sexuality, though I am personally concerned about certain aspects of this — see Chigo and Shudo. One also has to put on hold certain "Western" ideals when consuming Japanese media, and be aware of what I call Nihonification — the ability of the Japanese to take aspects from other cultures and re-contextualize it so that it is fully in accord with its own culture. From my own perspective, anything which evokes an emotion within me I consider art, but if such produces profoundly negative emotions I avoid. This is my simple measure: do I like it? And simple soul that I am, ths works for me. Great stuff! Keep it up.

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    @mordcore

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    maybe the discrepancy between the aesthetics of the work and the message are on purpose — contrasting them against each other strongly enough to create discomfort and make you think about it? it's hard to know though.

    i wouldn't know about "worse" and moral judgements but i know i often like art less if it has this kind of problem. i was really liking danganronpa for example until the transphobia hit and i had to stop playing it completely

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    @sinekonata

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    This was way too tortuous. Yes it is bad. We all hate it. Even men. Our dicks love it, but our brain hates our dicks for having to watch it.
    So feminists? They hate it with a passion. If you were a feminist ally, this title wouldn't be framed as a question.

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    @govind.m86

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Fanservice making you uncomfortable shouldn't be seen as a defect. It should however be considered a defect if it's boring.

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    @slambangwallop

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I once accidentally bought a Manga T-shirt that I only realised came off as racist after I got home. It was one of a few items I had got from The Bargain Basket that day so I hadn't read the writing on all of them- basically the top that fitted me best in the stomach area had "Blacky" written on it, and in the background were the words "No Entrance", which was seemingly the name of the brand. The other t-shirt was "Marmalade Boy" and had a picture of a boy with a jar of marmalade, but that one was quite small. I couldn't afford to go to a laundrette very much that year, after the 2009 recession, and still know very little about Manga.

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    @JLacan

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I'm rewatching Kill la Kill in 2021. Had to come and re-watch this. Would totally pay top dollar to hear Abigail talk about Kill la Kill and Fascism FOR HOURS.

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    @yellowcactustvz4929

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    3:53 I do not remember that and I am very confused

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    @Supermariocrosser

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    The problem is that people brand everything that's is sexually nude is money driven fanservice, while it's could be interpretated as avant garde vulgarity.

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    @Supermariocrosser

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Fanservice is the definition of libertarian anime. Vulgar but money driven.
    Marxist fans would prohibit any form of sexual display and freedom sexual display to prevent commercialism.
    Anarchists would pity fanservice, but would feel threatened by the media of Banning stuff and freedom.
    And the fascists? They would ban it too because its degenerate, unless it supports it for patriarchal stability .

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    @joannelee5574

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Kill la kill was my absolute favorite show for years, but I just wanted to mention, imo the r*pe scene was an absolute SHIT example of how to handle a r*pe scene, it’s portrayed in a way titillate the viewers with excessive use of “soft” imagery and suggestive voicing(though I’m sure plenty were disturbed). The main issue was that it was portrayed as something “sexy” rather than ASSAULT, especially considering the excessive focus on the body and satsuki’s reactions rather than the actual repercussions, mental or otherwise, because of it, which had little to no effect on the show at all. I genuinely think the show would’ve been better off either without the scenes or if they didn’t ogle at satsuki’s reactions as something “sexy” and portrayed it as assault, without all the sparkles and suggestive voices. And I’m just sick of the sexual exploitation of women to show how “evil” a character is, considering there are PLENTY of other less problematic ways ragyo was shown to be evil, like mass human genocide, beating her daughter half to death, throwing away a literal baby after human experimentation, nuking soichiro, etc…

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    @espeon871

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    This analysis is so surreal lmao especially considering the newer works of philosophy tube omg

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    @Sentientmatter8

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I've always disliked the fanservice in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, and while it does serve the story (at least shallowly) I wonder if it could have been omitted.

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    @alterego8496

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I think fan service is okay if it was in hentai. But serious Anime should really avoid it.

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    @kimjong-un7878

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    klk kind of critiques hypersexualisation of women

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    @admiralofcuteness

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I'd call myself an anime fan because I appreciate anime's mode of storytelling and willingness to treat animation as a medium for depicting serious subject matter. But I don't really like fanservice at all, and would probably watch more anime if it weren't so prevalent in the shonen series I go for.

    It's more of a straight-up "nope" where the girls are concerned, because it makes me deeply uncomfortable when extended screentime is given to a girl's big boobs or bath scene or whatever, and I get worried men might see me and other women like that IRL. (But then I'm flat.) I admit to liking bishonen designs, but if a guy gets equally excessive amounts of fanservice or it's a show like Free, which seems to be basically fanservice and gags, then I won't bother with it. (A fanservice-y character design in a manga doesn't bother me because I can just skim past it.) Generally speaking, though, I go for plots and can tolerate some fanservice if I want to know where the story goes.

    I never actually finished Kill la Kill, but heard good things about the writing. Maybe not lol

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    @timdedeaux3989

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I kind of separate the ethical from aesthetic analysis, but without losing sight of the ethical. The same way I could say "he's an evil man, and it's worse because he is a very good fighter," I can say "that film has an evil message, and it's worse because it is well-made film."

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    @shaqgavemehead1252

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I like the thumbnail

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    @BloodReaper95

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Nah, i love my fan service.

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    @neointersectankosexualmerk1252

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Need to repeat Manhattan Project again

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    @KarolaTea

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    This kinda presumes that sexualising characters is an ethical defect to begin with, doesn't it? Like, is looking at butts bc they're butts morally wrong? That would make pretty much all porn morally wrong, wouldn't it?
    I'm kinda in the camp that 'art can't be good or bad, it's just taste and preferences', although sure, ethical defects in a piece of art can make that piece of art morally wrong the same way an action can have ethical defects. Art as an action so to speak. Whether I paint an image of someone with their throat slit, or just say out loud that I'd like to kill that person… if it's the same message behind those two then they're both equally morally wrong. But the painting itself as an art piece, whether it's good or bad purely as art… that's up to taste and preferences. Whether I'm a skillful painter, by the definition of "did I get my intended message across" discussed in the video, is another question.

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    @leodouskyron5671

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Kill la kill is not even fan service. Jesus Christ Superstar was often preformed naked and I assure you it was not for the love of the bodies. The nudity, clothing and shame and self acceptance themes are not just baked in but are core. The nudity is part of the point (as is set of points about sexuality and sex which I don’t know if you got)

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    @fapuloes

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    My philosophy on this is "the bigger the tiddy the better the work of art"

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    @kappathefish7171

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    i find it funny getting this recommended to me now, right after the "cuties" netflix controversy, as that movie is most definitely an example of accidentally endorsing something you (hopefully) intended to speak out against through its visual language

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    @Lozyder

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    id say fansaervise is part of kill la kill, its its vibe, closer to style than just ecchi

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    @Turalcar

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    6:07 …voting

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    @luciacuevas611

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Most anime features sexual assault presented as something humorous or titillating for the viewer. In many animes, sexual assault and harassment is the basis of their jokes.

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    @justsomeguy2825

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    The sexual assault scene really didn't come off as sexy to me, I thought it served to show the power Ragyo had over Satsuki. You were meant to feel uncomfortable watching it.

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    @SodaPopBot

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I find it more tolerable in something already bombastic and over the top like Kill la Kill and Gurren Lagann than in Akame ga Kill which I dreaded since there's so much death and serious shit going on there. Literally a few minutes after something incredibly gruesome happens you're treated to major boobage. I like breasts like any other guy but goddamn. Completely breaks my suspension of disbelief. I like FMA for that reason, the biggest fanservice I can remember is Lust (which makes sense) and a bit of Winry, which makes sense as she's the love interest so some sexual/romantic tension is bound to exist.

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    @tystromberg5288

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Another problem with the author’s intentions is how far into the future the author has intention. The nazi propaganda film was designed to persuade and presumably it fails today but it was successful in persuasion for its intended audience, so idk if we can dismiss its execution as bad so easily

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    @Luca-sl7tb

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    Fanservice and sexualization aren't (necessarily) an ethical defect. They can be, sure, but they definitely don't have to.

    I'd find much more morally concerning to think that the portrayal of women's sexuality is somehow an inherent insult on women as if we were still stuck to the madonna/whore duality. Kill la Kill shows the sexuality of both men and women: there is nothing inherently wrong in sexuality, there is nothing inherently anti-artistic in sexually enticing images, and on top of that Kill la Kill goes the extra mile of contextualizing its fanservice with socio-political thematics.

    It's not just that fanservice isn't inherently harmful and it's just a tool that can be used both good and bad depending on the artist's ability, but particularly in Kill la Kill's case the fanservice is a fundamental part of the aesthetic and narrative and the work would be greatly diminished without it.

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    @jonigazeboize_ziri6737

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    His interpretation of kill la kill makes a lot more sense than mine.

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    @TheSpeep

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    In Kill La Kill I'd argue the fanservice has its place, as it's pretty much woven into the themes and plot (see what i did there?)
    That being said, there are definitely series where it ruins the pacing or undercuts the tension or themes, or is just straight up problematic.

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    @yokedmonster

    September 25, 2025 at 8:37 am

    I honestly like kill la kill for the characters the story is kind of meh.

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