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“We Didn’t Start the Fire” w/ Vincent Bevins

The Red Nation | November 9, 2025



From 2010 to 2020, the world experienced mass protests. Yet, those protests have not brought about more democracy and freedom. Why did these protests lead to the opposite of what they supposedly demanded? In this episode, journalist Vincent Bevins joins the podcast to discuss his latest book, If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution (2023).

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  1. @audreyburch6029

    November 9, 2025 at 1:29 am

    Oh, also, my high school chemistry teacher was literally Douglas Frank, who some individuals might have heard of as the guy who got his phone confiscated, along with Mike Lindell's, so they could be searched for evidence of having made claims about election fraud that could have been part of inciting the January 6th riot.

    Paging M. Night Shyamalan ("What a twist!")

  2. @fleetwoodcad1

    November 9, 2025 at 1:29 am

    “Look at this amazing protest!” is just how we Americans please our left wing parents for brownie points until we hit hard verbally enough to thunder up the settler state talking points. I’m not sure where the super sovereign indin language folks are these days like trudel . Rabbit hole basement is where Indian treaty rights fit into every argument on the world stage!

  3. @fleetwoodcad1

    November 9, 2025 at 1:29 am

    I’m always on the sisseton discussion pages raising hell only to be answered with crickets and the occasional aho. Maybe a lone lili once in a while. What the Fock are indinz doing in 2023?? lol

  4. @fleetwoodcad1

    November 9, 2025 at 1:29 am

    I thought he was 14:27 gonna day South American governments counter the protesters arguments by says they’re trying to give the land back to the Indians and make us all live in tipis and (insert anti American commie fear)

  5. @audreyburch6029

    November 9, 2025 at 1:29 am

    Kind of an interesting aside, perhaps, from my own life, is that I was happy to find out that someone I went to the same private high school with, was part of a direct action to prevent a grove of trees being cut down to build a sports complex on the UC Berkeley campus, if I recall correctly. I saw a TED talk, and was like holy crap I remember that person. I think after that initial success, though, the trees were cut down, sadly. I remember around the time of the 2004 presidential election, or in the following year after I had withdrawn for my own senior year of high school being 4 days too young to vote and overwhelmed with re-entering a large public School from a small private one, my parents let me go visit this friend in Cincinnat, and they showed me a protest sign they found, that read "Bush plus Dick = Fucked!" I wanted so bad to be part of a meaningful political movement, even a Food Not Bombs chapter, as most of the charities in the county where I live are some kind of religion- based, and I'm not comfortable with assisting proselytization in most cases, but, at the time, my parents weren't allowing me to earn income or form any kind of independence that someone verging on young adulthood might want to, out of fear that I would buy drugs with some of the money, so I was resigned to reading about dumpster diving in issues of Adbusters.

    Kind of a gross story, as well but another person that went to that same school was doing photography, of first I believe Occupy Wall Street, then the George Floyd protests, but then it turns out they were spreading an STD without telling anyone, which is a form of assault.

    At this point, having gotten my GED in 2011, and attending about one-and-a-half semesters of college is a non-traditional student eight years ago, I am trying to get back into school again, and also network to learn about how I can contribute to local food security, or however one might term that.

    Even at $15 an hour, which is what the job I worked for about a year, until this July, paid, and that's close to twice what I ever made prior to that, I'm just not suited to a groundhog day type job, and it wears me out and then I can't even save the money like I'm supposed to.

  6. @audreyburch6029

    November 9, 2025 at 1:29 am

    Regarding music as a means of learning history and ethics, I obtained mail order compact discs of, among other albums, the System of a Down self-titled album; The Burning Red, The More Things Change, and Burn My Eyes, by Machine Head; Marcy Playground, self-titled, two of my favorite songs being A Dog and His Master and The Shadow of Seattle; Mata Leao by Biohazard, and Obsolete and one of the *manufacture albums by Fear Factory. BMG never did get their full payment for those albums (remember the catalogs with the tearaway stamps to lick and place, to indicate which albums were desired to be shipped?) but they did their service to a teen with slightly overly protective parents.

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