The Recoonperation of Tyler The Creator

wonderful vid!

Would we consider Meg the stallion as an alt girl? She loves anime but she’s conventionally beautiful in a lot of people’s eyes. Idk it feels like there’s another layer to the way people are treated if they’re accepted in the beauty standards or not. Meg came up in the 2010s era where so many were emulating black culture while Tyler it was the 911 era and country whitisms were really popular still.

I don't know, becoming a slave to your past and being indebted to all your mistakes doesn't sound fun. Constantly apologizing after every album because someone new wanted to do a deep dive ain't it. Feels like it keeps EVERY one on such a tight leash and shackled.

A thing that a find kind of annoying in any left and left-liberal spaces mainly in the US is how lots of yall are still obssessed with personal accountability instead of seeing this stuff in a systematic point of view, im not saying thats FD’s case (in fact hes the opposite), and im not saying personal accountabilty isnt important or shouldnt exist, it should, but yall treat like calling out is the primary course of action rather than understanding the social-economic context behind the stuff, because understanding the basis of the system can create way more efficient ways to combat its worse issues rather than treating every inidividual as a player in the problem and not just a part on how it works.

Im not saying yall should be economic experts or some shit like that, but most of our social relations are a consequence of economic reality, so educating oneself in such topics is important regardless. Blaming individuals constantly ignores that these individuals are operating on how the system works at its core, thats why it cant be reformed, it should be replaced.

Idk why this happens my theory is that illuminist and liberal philosophy mixed with the current “ragebait engagement driven” social media breeds this kind of thing but i cant back that up.

My main point here is that the people that love this is the ruling class, cause if we are separated by these kinds of things its way harder for us to fight capitalism as a system.

I love Tyler and he’s been my favorite artist for more than a decade and it is because of his entire journey as an artist. I’m biracial and queer and all of the hurt and animosity I felt, he repeated back to me. The violence of horror core was a sounding board and not in the same way of social media echo chambers, but more like a therapy group where you realize you are not alone with the emotions you’re facing. It’s also really interesting to look back on now that we are out of the 2010s because so many people who were edgelords became legit hateful conservatives and turned against their own communities rather than embracing those overlooked (alternative, queer, working class, etc.) communities.

I feel like as a society we are forgetting that people grow and hopefully become better people.

You lowkey kind of sound like Tyler a little bit

Tyler scared the shit out of me for years after he first came out lol my friend would want to play his music and I felt like i needed to pray and repent, and I wasn't even religious anymore atp lol

This is such a difficult topic and to a point I do empathise with Tyler (NOT the antiblack and violently misogyny) But I understand not fitting in to the black community especially. As a young black girl, I was quiet, shy and had niche interests. But the struggle here is in the communities I found myself in, I wasn't accepted by anyone. Black people would call me coconut, Oreo etc. and white people would actually assume the same, I would get comments from whites saying I'm not black, I'm not like other black people etc. it's such a weird and lonely place to be, thankfully I never experienced this from my family because we all grew up similarly, but its so strange and hard to explain.

Your commentary has been so eye-opening! thank you for doing these streams and videos, they are greatly appreciated!

Amazinh

klan robe = revitaligo please make the change it sounds better.

Tyler the creator was the first ever artist I listened to on my own time

white punks in 2009 instantly new he way tryin to do gg allin but for hip hop. watching that man grow musically has been a privilege.

I’m 23 and growing up as a mixed nerd, people always felt compelled to tell me I’m the whitest black Person they know because I don’t act or “sound” black. I always liked to read and my parents encouraged me to educate myself but always seemed to be made fun of by my peers. It still happens to me currently and I’m secure in who I am, I’ve gotten over the identity crises, but it still bothers me how people HAVE to tell me how I don’t sound black or how I sound privileged.

Just watched the film “the drama” and I feel like it really highlights the impact of call outs vs call ins, especially the double standard that people generally have against the rehabilitation and reintegration of poc compared to white ppl. I personally think it’s the main theme of the film, but I’ve only seen this being discussed in black circles whereas most of the mainstream discourse revolves around the main character’s personal relationship bc that part flies over most ppls heads

7:50 tell him to listen to SORRYNOTSORRY

i just signed up to nebula. just remembered y'all separated from curiosity and i never got around to setting up at nebula after

great content as usual

You know the sentiment “kids listening to vulgar music isn’t as bad as people say?” I’m proof of the opposite. When I was in high school, I’m black but I grew up in an all white community and went to private school, Tron Cat came out and Goblin. I have mental illness and other issues so I’m not blaming what happened on that album, but I very specifically internalized the messages of that album and began stalking and threatening a girl (white) at my high school as well as selling drugs. I’d never gotten in trouble in my life, but I became so obsessed with embodying the message of that album.

I was kicked out and my life went downhill for the next decade. Again, I’m not blaming what happened to me on this album, but parts of what I did were simply trying to embody the message of Tyler’s songs. Massive internalized anti-Blackness. Exacerbated mental illness. Identity collapse. And dangerous, life threatening behavior.