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The Problem With the Trolley Problem

Aperture | October 25, 2024



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You’ve probably heard of the Trolley Problem, especially if you’re at all interested in philosophy or ethics. Lately, it’s been a subject of discussion when discussing autonomous cars and was referenced explicitly in the show The Good Place.

Some people think it’s a fun moral thought experiment to discuss in a group. Others feel it’s a good ethical workout to prepare for real-world ethical dilemmas. But what if the Trolley Problem has a problem of its own?

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  1. @chachyesmeralda18

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I thought the dilemma in the trolley problem was that the person was a loved one and the five were strangers.

    Others have mentioned the five-kidneyed person. In the case of the judge, was the person he found guilty innocent of the crime but guilty of other crimes he was found not guilty of or did the judge know the person was going to kill the people he thought he was saving?

    My problem with these problems is they're never specific enough🤨

  2. @misstress1928

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I don't know why trolley is involved here at all if the essence of the problem is:
    "You must choose how many people you kill".
    Don't let anyone put you in such situation. It's not a casual shopping dilemma. You don't have to choose who lives and who dies.
    The only true lesson this problem can teach you is that saving can be just as bad as killing.

  3. @keromagdy4469

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    Well harm is inevitable in this moment in both case scenarios , it is more of what is the least damage could be done rather than is committing evil in the sake of good evil or not , if you had to act the most coherent way of acting is limiting the loss not sit in fear of doing evil even though it would be Less of loss.

  4. @kimpeater1

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    This whole exercise is about the value of human life. We like to say we're all equal but obviously some individuals are valued higher by society than others. It's uncomfortable to think about but that's the dilemma.

  5. @nvmffs

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    People need to broaden their narrow perspectives. Everything I heard is focused in limiting casualties/moral blame while they could easily avoid casualties (other than yourself potentially, if you're alone in the trolley) altogether. Let's assume the people are tied to the rails for some reason. Then that still leaves us with a couple of options:
    – Using the engine itself to slow the train.
    – Emergency Brakes: Applying hand brakes on every car.
    – As a last resort, using designated derailment points or techniques to minimize damage.

  6. @Strangekabuki

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    Simple answer for me. What are the consequences to me if each choice? I take the one with the least consequences. If no or equal, just let it run. I didn't set up the problem, so not my problem. I will sleep just fine either way. Two tours in V-N and Laos and no sleep lost over the years.

  7. @editorjohn8803

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    Anyone who would flip the switch to "save" the three is immoral. Remember that we are all beholden to fate, which prevents us from doing anything from unaliving a murderer to save three or quitting our jobs and saving lives in the poorest countries of Africa. We choose to NOT save lives because of fate, which prevents seeing a positive action (saving three) as negating a negative action (unaliving one). Those who choose to take out the one is ultimately acting as God in one instance and then ignoring all the positives they can do every other day of their lives. This is not even a dilemma if you look at how you ignore saving lives. Really? Be a hero/ unaliver just because a question pops up so cleanly and clearly in front of you?

  8. @Ironstarfish

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    You flip the switch that helps you on the trolley stop, but I'd just do the 5 since that was the fate anyway. That decision is not based on lives being more important than a life, I don't care either way and not a problem because it isnt me.

  9. @norma8686

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    My problem is if I intervene then I could be liable cause now it's my fault I killed that one person. If I do nothing, I can't be blamed cause it's not my fault the brakes failed.
    I would view it the same with autonomous cars: I don't want a car that if it has to decide between running over a pedestrian or a group of pedestrians, and going into oncoming traffic hitting a truck and killing me that's riding the car, I wouldn't want the car to decide to kill me.

  10. @SoaringShade

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I believe ive found the way to be infinitely happy. I know it sounds obvious but, enjoy the simplicity of life and a chosen simple thing. This might be hard but find happiness in something like washing the dishes, walking, cleaning or something you can do at anytime basically like drawing, reading, writing, meditation, etc. If you put happiness in something you can actually have whenever you want or something that may be boring, but you still have to do it everyday, your happiness is therefore alqays available. If you put the attainment of happiness in big and complex things like becoming a pilot or graduating college, your restricting your happiness bejind years of work and learning. It becomes circumstantial, and inturn becomes limited. Then when you finally get that thing your happy and satisfied, yet unhappy cus you relied on acheiving that thing in order to produce your joy.

  11. @cillianennis9921

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    The trolley problem is actually only half of the thought experiment the second part has a doctor who can kill one healthy person for the organs needed to save 5 other people who are dying & thus is an exploration of what makes them different. at least in the original form.

  12. @BenjaminT.Minkler

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    maybe that one dude knows he is safe because trolleys don't use that track, so it is okay to be on it; but the other 5 people are knowingly taking a risk to be on any tracks at all ….like say there are 5 kids playing in the street with one kid up in the yard telling the others to get out of the street, when you come driving along and then swerve up into the yard to avoid the kids in the street; if that kid in the yard lives, those other kids will never listen to his good advice and warnings …. its like the saying "stop making stupid people famous" and don't save large groups of them by killing the one smart guy that did nothing wrong

  13. @goncalomedeiros

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I would also disagree with the comparison of the trolley problem and the person with 5 kidneys, simply because on the trolley problem no matter what you do someone will die, independently of their own thoughts. On the real life comparison we're actively killing someone against their will. I'm sure that on the trolley problem situation it would also be against their will, but we can't be sure,

  14. @garr_inc

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I am immediately reminded of Trolley Problem, Inc., a game that takes these thought experiments and pushes them as far as possible to the edges. It's an interesting experience.

  15. @Htleveryday

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    I think I heard this one line somewhere before "If you are placed in such a situation irl you won't have time to think about such moral dilema or code, you gotta do the best you can at that moment"

  16. @andreasul2608

    October 25, 2024 at 7:50 pm

    This isn't a problem at all.. just do whatever you want. It's an absolute win as long as someone you care about survives. Everyone else… well tough luck there. But life must go on

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