Sinners and the Death of Black Art

part 4 really made everything click into place. we must always be vigilant and critical of any product made by the machine. educated analysis only serves to enhance our experience as lovers of art! ❤ spectacular work as always ❤

I clicked expecting a totally different meaning of "black art"

Why did I like sinners?

I felt like this movie was speaking to something in me I didn't realize was neglected by Hollywood in general.

I see plenty of good films. Good story,plot effect, actors etc but those films it like i watch them. Sinner felt like it was watching me.

Like sitting in church and feeling like the pastor is talking about you and your business. This film was a reflection of my deepest fears and triumphs. It takes parts of my life and blends them with fantasy in a way that feels intimate in a way a tomorrow cruise film or 007 ever could.

The thing about the film that I haven't heard enough people discuss is that — for all its technical brilliance, compelling characters, and interesting themes — the story is actually not very well-composed. As a writer, I couldn't help seeing a bunch of threads that either tangle or weave in and out of the story at strange, awkward angles. This is one of the only times I've walked out of a movie and said, "That should have been a mini series," because there are so many pieces they were working with that didn't have any room to breathe and grow. Remmick says he's after Sammie because he wants his stories, but Sammie is barely a man. What stories does he have? Sure, he can inherit stories from his elders and tradition but he hasn't lived enough yet to have his own, and he won't if Remmick ends his life now — he'll just be part of a hive mind. So, Remmick's stated motivation doesn't make sense and nothing is provided to suggest he has some other secret motivation. And then there's this thing going on about religion and the role of Christianity in black culture vs hoodoo and they make that explicit connection to the use of Christianity in Irish oppression and kind of had this half-formed, heavily-implied thing about basically Christian god not actually having any power with the garlic water being the weapon against vampires instead of holy water and Remmick reciting the prayer with Sammie in the pond in a way where it's clear that these "holy" words and symbols we've seen as things to keep the demons away in all of pop culture just do nothing. They're as empty as the capitalism that Remmick should have been a cautionary tale against. And then there are all the points FD has made about the clumsiness of the capitalist critique in the film. There's a solid narrative, but all the stuff that is underpinning that is so tenuous and muddled.

Ryan Coogler is a hack. Hasn’t made a single movie that wasn’t just mediocre

When you open up speaking about Micheuax, the picture shown is of Paul Robeson.

I loved Sinners because of the strong message about how capitalism, Christianity, and selling out your culture will cost you your identity and never give you freedom. The brilliance of using Irish culture as the parallel was amazing because Irish folks were invited into whiteness eventually, but it cost them their language, their religion, much of their own country, and a lot of blood… And they're still mocked and stereotyped as lesser to some extent, and the vast majority of them are in the same socioeconomic group, lower middle class to lower class. Yet they're tolerated because they agreed to police the other races. Most Irish Americans don't even know how much Ireland was colonized by Britain.

This movie was deep and I'm shocked you don't have anything to talk about. It's pretty shocking they allowed a movie to be made that says, everything America is about is bullshit, including religion.

It's also ironic as hell Ryan tells this message while literally selling his culture for a massive deal.

This film is such a strong piece to watch alongside This is America. It's Ryan saying, wtf man BLM was 2020 and by 2024 you're voting for Trump what is wrong with us?!?

the first portrait image is Paul Robeson, i think, otherwise, right on, brother

56:00

colormind sounds suspiciously canadian in this

@2:08 you're talking about Oscar Micheaux but the image is Paul Robeson!

17:00 – "In reality, so many of us defend our capitalist overlords and want to join them. So watching these types of anti-capitalist narratives, the dissonance ain't cognitive enough for some of y'all so nothing seems to be learnt."