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Judas Priest: The Lawsuit Over Better By You, Better Than Me That Shook The Metal World

Rock N' Roll True Stories | April 5, 2026



Judas Priest: The story behind the infamous lawsuit over subliminal messages.

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n 1969 English rock band Spooky Truth would release a song called “Better by You, Better than Me” The song would appear on Judas Priest’s 1978 album Stained Class. Then 7 years later on December 23, 1985, two young men an 18 year old named Raymond Belknap and 20-year-old James Vance who hailed from Sparks, Nevada spent the night drinking and smoking pot and listening to Judas priest before madeking a pact to take their own lives. The pair of men went to a nearby playground at a church and attempted to take their own lives with a shotgun. Belknap would die instantly while the Vance would survivebut only live for another 3 years before passing away..The LA Times reported his passing in 1988 claiming he was admitted to a hospital for depression before slipping into a coma and passing away. The paper claimed that a drug overdose may have resulted in him lapsing into a coma. It was also revealed that vance left behind a one year old daughter.

The families of the victims turned their anger towards Judas Priest and their label CBS Records. They blamed both parties for their son’s deaths alleging that the band hid submliminal messages on their cover of better by you, better than me which could be found if the track was played backwards. Amongst these submliminal messages they alleged to be included on the recording were ‘do it’ and ‘let’s be dead’ The lawsuit was spurred after the lone survivor James Vance wrote a letter to Belknap’s motherwhich read and i quote “ I believe that alcohol and heavy-metal music such as Judas Priest led us to be mesmerised,” A civil lawsuit would be filed in 1986, one year after the incident, but wouldn’t go to trial until 1990 in the pair’s home state of nevada. The families sought a minimu mof $3.6Million in damages to cover, medical bills and support for Vance’s daughter.

It was two years prior that Ozzy Osbourne had been involved in a similar case over the lyrics of one of his songs which allegedly drove a fan to take his own life. But unlike the Osbourne lawsuit which was thrown out of court because Ozzy’s lyrics were protected under free speech. The same couldn’t be said for Judas Priest. Technically, subliminal messages aren’t considered speach therefore they don’t have the same protection. The case involving Judas Priest became more about whether there were subliminal messages, whether they were discernible to the average listener and whether they could influence someone’s thinking. It may surprise you to know that the complainants originally took the band to court over another song called ‘Heroes End’ from the same album. Jayne ANdrews who served as a member of the band’s management team would reveal that the complainants took issue with the lyrics on the song with Andrews recalling: “They tried to say the band were saying you could only be a hero if you killed yourself, till I had to give them the correct lyrics which is ‘why do heroes have to die?’ Then they changed their plea to subliminal messages on the album.”

Guitarist Glenn Tipton would tell Loudersound “It’s a fact that if you play speech backwards, some of it will seem to make sense. So I asked permission to go into a studio and find some perfectly innocent phonetic flukes. The lawyers didn’t want to do it, but I insisted. We bought a copy of the Stained Class album in a local record shop, went into the studio, recorded it to tape, turned it over and played it backwards. Right away we found ‘Hey ma, my chair’s broken’ and ‘Give me a peppermint’ and ‘Help me keep a job’.”

The lawyers for Judas Priest and the label contended that the band had no known subliminal messages on the record and questioned the character of the two young men pointing to their troubled upbringing as being responsible for their deaths. The LA Times even wrote a profile during the trial on the mothers of the two men and it was less than flattering.

The article would state that Belknap’s Mother had been previously married four times and that her son was the subject of abuse from her fourth husband going on to write
“Belknap showed no interest in school, and like Vance, dropped out in the 10th grade. Working a series of construction jobs, he acquired a sawed-off shotgun, a pell

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  1. @KeremcanBuyuktaskin

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    I'm watching "Into the Void: Life, Death and Heavy Metal" documentary series about this subject. The lawyers of the family are both giant a-holes, especially the one called Ken McKenna. After all these years he's still so full of shit and also confidence that he was right .

  2. @theVictrolaLady

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    I've been a long time fan of Judas Priest. I watched this court case when it originally aired on TV back then. I thought it was pathetic suing a heavy metal band over "subliminal messages" that never existed.

    If anyone watched the whole documentary "Dream Decivers" , the two teen boys came from abusive homes, and were doing drUg$ long before they ever heard a Judas Priest album.

    I just remember thinking at the time there was a lot more to this story than anyone (outside of the case and actually knowing the parties involved that is) would ever know about the dynamics of what truly went on with those two teen boys. I fault the parents in this, not the music.

  3. @chrispehhh

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    This is absolutely ridiculous and humiliating for the band having had to go through this. The background of the two kids was beyond unstable, addicted, and unhinged, and their exploitative unhinged parents having tried to get millions off of it is just as psycho. This was Salem Witch Trial Level abuse of the courts.

  4. @thomaskane2050

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    Beyond the Realms of Death deals with the other side Better by you better than me The 3rd Verse is about living The People filing those lawsuits are just Crooks full of Hate

  5. @Yes-Bean

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    So a song that has nothing to do with suicide gets called out for suicide but a song like "Fade to Black" by Metallica which is literally about Suicide and Depression is completely fine??? These guys just hated JP for no real reason

  6. @francoisbeland7188

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    Judas Priest were innocent, it's the CBS record company who would have needed to be investigated further in implemanting subliminal techniques, because, these ones do exist, they're were first designed to be used in the military and spy agencies.

  7. @docBZA

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    The fact that the judge ever allowed this to go to trial is a farce of justice. The 1st amendment allows Judas Priest, or any person, to literally say “kill yourself” in a song or work of art and be protected. The burden of proof in a civil suit is lower, but still, the attorney for the plaintiffs is an absolute dunce and a disgrace

  8. @delavalmilker

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    I remember back in the 80's, that "subliminal messages" in rock music was just another of the "moral panics" so prevalent at the time. Together with the claim that daycare centers were using kids for Satanic sex rituals. Of course, opportunistic lawyers were ready to jump on this, seeing $$$ signs in doing civil lawsuits. Including convincing these grieving parents to engage in a frivolous civil suit against a rock band.

  9. @Aristotelezz

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    Even to most upsetting lyrics in Chinese can not be understood if you don't speak Chinese. So how can be something that only backwards can be understood have a meaning that is understood?

  10. @Orpheusftw

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    I still don't understand how this ever got past the fact that IT WAS A COVER SONG.

    Sued over lyrics he merely performed, but didn't write? I don't know much about the legal system, but how could the entire defense not be as simple as "If you don't like the song, take it up with Spooky Tooth. 🤷‍♂️"

  11. @ronbroadfoot279

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    The mothers of these two boys were absolutely clueless. Belknap obviously blamed Judas Priest’s music because he couldn’t face the fact that he and Vance inherited these problems from their troubled upbringing.

  12. @josefkurtz2223

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    Now think about it. During this trial multiple people listened to this song frontwards and backwards. Nobody in the courtroom killed anybody or committed suicide. Why is that?

  13. @josefkurtz2223

    April 5, 2026 at 9:36 pm

    I partook in many inebrients back in the day . I grew up in the 80's and listened to this band and this song hundreds of times. Not once did i feel like opting out . My Dad had guns and so did i but it never crossed my mind to take one of them and blow my brains out.these two suffered from some kind of mental deficiency and its sad. But to blame a rock band? Please. The family got taken in by money grubbing lawyers and shame on them for doing so. They have clearly missed any signs their children were in trouble and looked for a target to blame when all they had to do was look in a mirror.

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