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Is monogamy good for society? | Louise Perry

Big Think | October 23, 2024



Is polygamy good for society? Author Louise Perry explains.

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What is the future of romantic relationships? Louise Perry, author of “Women Aren’t Human,” explores the possibilities of polyamory as the next sexual minority rights movement. While some proponents argue for legal recognition of their relationships, Perry cautions against rejecting the monogamous model entirely.

Despite the commonality of polygynous mating models in human history, Perry argues that monogamy has proven to be a more stable and peaceful system in society. She cites the “Cinderella effect,” where households with multiple wives are more prone to conflict and stepparents are more likely to abuse their stepchildren. Perry also traces the historical roots of monogamy to ancient Rome, where sexual ethics were vastly different and cruel, and to the advent of Christianity, which introduced radical and revolutionary ideas about sexuality.

Despite the downsides of Christian views on sexuality, Perry argues that their fundamental tenet of protecting the weak and restraining the strong remains relevant today.

0:00 Monogamy vs. polygyny
1:46 Monogamy: Better for society?
2:57 Ancient Rome & the Christian inflection point
4:24 “De-Christianizing” sexual ethics

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About Louise Perry:
Louise Perry is a writer and campaigner based in London, UK. She is a columnist at the New Statesman and a features writer for the Daily Mail. Her debut book, The Case Against the Sexual Revolution: A New Guide to Sex in the 21st Century, is published by Polity.

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Comments

This post currently has 35 comments.

  1. @annamo9354

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    I consider myself polyamorous, and it is not for the faint-hearted I tell you. You need to have a lot of self-love first and foremost. Then it's all about communication. Yes, there is jealousy. But the point is that you should acknowledge the feeling and ask yourself why you feel this way. Mostly it's because there is a need that isn't met. Try to communicate your needs.

  2. @retratomujer

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    I think the video should be more clear in what it is comparing, because it seems to be studying monogamy in comparisson to sexist polygamy, but inside of today's modern debate, it suggests to be about polyamory, which is far different. Although, whatever it is the case; it's a fallacy claiming that monogamy makes societies "more stable, peaceful and prosperous", beyond the absence of data, because of the fact that she pretends to prove it by comparing "families" instead of societies which are the case of study (???). And also, if she was just stating a supposed fact about these two types of societies, I think it's lacking some critical thinking, in the sense that if we look at all the factors, the more "stable, peaceful and prosperous" societies are not coincidentally all capitalists global potencies, without forgeting that capitalism rests in the system of monogamy.

  3. @PatrickWanisPHD

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Polyamory is the practice of engaging in multiple romantic (and typically sexual) relationships, with the consent of all the people involved (not gender specific);
    Polygamy is the practice or custom of having more than one wife or husband at the same time;
    Polygyny is the practice of a man being married to two or more women at the same time.

  4. @Josephus_vanDenElzen

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    The title suggests an unbiased approach to this question, probably to make it appear that this channel or the presenter of this question is a unbiased scientist.
    However, an unbiased presentations would have consisted in both highlighting the pro's and con's of both practices.

    Luckily the channel shows less pretension in the comment section, based on which comments it likes by unanimously favouring the monogamy stance.

  5. @manero4792

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    My experience – It's already hard for a man and a woman get their things right in home, having a stable raletion, etc… Simply because they are 2 individuals with a whole life outside.

    When the number of people in a relationship rises, to 3, 4, whatever, there will be more and more stuff from every side, every day that you need to consider to have a home at peace.

    There's no secret. Keep it simple.

  6. @themonrovian8441

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Monogamy means that weak men get to spread their bad genes and the human species gets weaker and more domesticated as a result. It may even be the reason why civilizations tend to collapse over time.

  7. @chibu3212

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    I do find it interesting that a large proportion of the comments involving the concept and practice of polyandry vs monogamy or polygamy-and what will be most benefit to its practitioners or society, children or at least the desire to have them come up the least. It seems to me that children/families, just like the act of marriage itself, isn’t seen as natural part of relationships but more like if it convenient for those in the relationship. No longer an expected obligation. I could be wrong but I could see open relationships/marriages/ consensual monogamy and polyandry becoming a norm with kids being an option based on how convenient it’ll be for the life partners. Not only that, but the window of convenience would be very narrow as well. If you’re not in the financial position to afford raising a child nor between your 20s to mid 30s then the ship had sailed. The very wealthy, conservative/traditional religious practitioners, and people belonging to other cultures/immigrants would be having more kids than other demographic.

  8. @bluej7135

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    This video was informative, but I cannot ignore that it seems to have multiple loopholes

    For example, why are you arguing about polygamy (multiple marriages) in the first place if the examples given are mostly related to sexuality and romantic atraction? It would be more accurate to just refer to polylove, in which polygamy is included.

    Also, why has poligamy only been defined as: a situation in which a man has multiple wifes?
    There are many other sistems of poligamy such as only women having multiple marital partners, each individual having multiple marital relations divided hierarchicaly in intimacy and proximity or even groups in which every person included has a marital relation with each one of the other members of the group. And yes, such does not exclude having multiple partners with different gender orientations, that's part of the human sexual and marital experience, there's no way to deny it.

    But the thing that caused me more confusion was when the argument "monogamy is objectively better as it contribues for stability and prosperity in society" was supported with the premisse "many societies in which polygamy is generally practiced are also more unstable and poor". 1- correlation doesn't mean causation, you need to develop a better explanation to support the cause-effect relation you hypothesized, not simply imply it; 2- you shouldn't be so vage with such bold statement, please mention specific examples to support your arguments, otherwise you leave your audience to feel in the blanks with their own preconceptions.

    There are many other things that I personally didn't find quite right but I will not microanalyse more than I have already done.

    Please note that it's not my intention neither to insult you, nor your audience, nor your work. I'm just pointing out my perspective on this video since I felt quite invested in it. It was interesting and tought-provoking, to the point that I'm now rumbling about it in a Youtube comment section.

    Thanks for reading this far 🙂

  9. @Philipp-dt2zy

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Polygamy leads to armies of incels. That's reason why polygamous societys are the most unstable and most violent societys you can imagine. Just take a look in polygamous , islamic countries for example.

  10. @PotLid6661

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    IDK if monogamy is good for society or not but in modern day , monogamy is a blessed for men.
    Image how much a divorce cost and image that you have a few wife , just think about it make me scary. And image that a woman have a few husbands to divorce each time she run out of cash , so scary.
    With monogamy , a man can only divorce once , and if you are stupid enough for the next time then you are no save.
    Jesus bless us with monogamy , praise the Jesus who savior of men.

  11. @lillypilly6440

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Men just want lots of sex. What is new? Christains have lots of creepy sex ideas and women having to just give their husband's sex. Lots of abuse in these house holds and churchs . What is new though ?

  12. @nayosum343

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    wrong wrong wrong.

    ChatGPT Says:

    Sumerians

    Ancient Egyptians

    Indus Valley Civilization

    Ancient Greeks

    Roman Empire

    Chinese Civilization

    Islamic Caliphates

    Maya Civilization

    Inca Empire

    Mongol Empire

    all of these most known human civilisations, monogamy was the PREDOMINANT So cut the brainwashing bullshit.

    polygamous relationships existed only in ruling and wealthy class and it's modern bullshit. Thank god I always suspected this and felt this was the right way, the biology in me always knew it was wrong if my girl let's say wanted to have more men. (didn't happen)

  13. @Lilopad

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Incredibly disappointed how this video starts off by defining monogamy and polyamory and then carries on arguing that polygyny is bad. Which has literally nothing to do with modern polyamory.

  14. @harijotkhalsa9496

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    I thought there were a lot of celebrated patriarchs in the bible who were polygynous? Unless Jesus specified 1 man and 1 wife monogamy shouldn't actually be considered a fundamentally Christian value but rather a cultural add on.

  15. @adamnelson2425

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    There any many different types of polygamist relationships, the most common I have experienced are couples opening up their sex lives to other people such as threesome etc but only do this together which helps with trust and jealousy and helps build more desire for their partners

  16. @lampelampe7234

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Christianity is not the source of "monogamy," and the course away from "monogamy" is not "de-christianization." Most of this presentation is a wilful conflation of center-right, christian apologism, with human sexuality; it's then disingenuously labeled as the entertainment of an opposing idea. The difference between this and Pregar U, is negligible.

  17. @redpillreich4263

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Polygyny is natural and eugenic.
    However, if polyamery becomes the norm in a population mutational meltdown isn't far behind, that is if it doesn't get wiped out by a polygynous population beforehand.

  18. @Lenaswife

    October 23, 2024 at 8:45 pm

    Y'all just jealous LOL. Why do you believe you are less loved if your loved one also loves othrr people? Thats what you should ask yourselfs.
    Spread love, fuck society.

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