Incels make the world go round
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00:00 Banger intro
01:11 The Manosphere is big business.
08:13 We still don’t understand the manosphere.
19:54 What kind of man are you?
40:09 Incels make the world go round.
01:02:33 The other side of the game.
01:26:17 So what can be done?
Edited by @TheZatzman
Intro and transition graphics by @NeedlessNick
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References
1- Mapping manosphere- Han, X., & Yin, C. (2023). Mapping the manosphere. Categorization of reactionary masculinity discourses in digital environment. Feminist media studies, 23(5), 1923-1940.
2- Networked misogyny – https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/14680777.2022.2029925?needAccess=true
http://www.michaelmessner.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Gender-Society-1998-MESSNER-255-76.pdf
3- Leaving the manosphere- https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1080/1057610X.2023.2244192?needAccess=true
4- Liu, A. (2021). MRAsians: A Convergence between Asian American Hypermasculine Ethnonationalism and the Manosphere. Journal of Asian American Studies 24(1), 93-112. https://doi.org/10.1353/jaas.2021.0012.
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/two-years-ago-they-marched-charlottesville-where-are-they-now
5- AIN paper – https://datasociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/DS_Alternative_Influence.pdf
6- Levels of wellbeing for Incels – https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2023/04/LevelsofWellbeingAmongMenWhoAreInvoluntarilyCelibate.pdf
7- You tube radicalization study – https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.2101967118
8- Online radicalization argument – https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joe-Whittaker-2/publication/363135647_Rethinking_Online_Radicalization/links/630f1d5161e4553b95520eff/Rethinking-Online-Radicalization.pdf
9- Car killer story – https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/northern-ky/2017/08/14/mom-previously-accused-charlottesville-driver-james-alex-fields-jr-beating-her/566078001/
10- (radicalization is overblown but you tube is to blame) https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/sciadv.adk2031
11-https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09567976211036065

@DominicD240
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
One thing that I think doesn't get brought up enough on this issue is that we need to normalise people of opposite genders…….just being friends. Without expectation of sex/romantic involvement. I think that would solve so many of the issues. I can only speak from my personal experiences, but when I was younger I used to do the whole, beating my self up because I hadn't been in a relationship, and hadn't had sex, etc etc. I was towing the line. But in the past few years, I moved in with a woman friend. We're purely just platonic friends. But us just telling each other we love each other, and hugging each other regularly has done so much for my happiness in life. So I think if men were more willing to view women as friends, and had women in their friendship circles who they could just get a hug from it would go such a long way. But because so many of these people view women purely as sexual objects, they don't have any women friends.
@imsleepy6211
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
As an audhd woman, it is so weird hearing autistic men talking about how they get sucked into the manosphere spaces to try and feel a sense of normalcy, yet autistic women literally are being SA'd and facing extreme violence at the hands of men, with no real help because our symptoms are pathologized in a way that prevents us from being seen as victims in the eyes of the law. These autistic men could literally talk to autistic women and build communities, and I think that him claiming they want normalcy is inherently disingenuous for a good number of them because they want to CONTROL and DOMINATE women just like "normal men do". They want to own women, not to get to know them. I do not know a single autistic women who hasn't been abused. I don't. We are literally targeted by the same type of men who target children – yes that is a REAL thing. These autistic men do not want to be around autistic women, they want "normal women" as a status symbol.
I am not saying these men aren't being exploited. I am saying a lot of these autistic men WANT to exploit women, and literally do not care about how autism affects anyone but men. They get exploited by manosphere, and women are dying / being trapped in inherently dangerous relationships. That is why they are so drawn to this content specifically despite how many autism communities exist specifically to help men like this.
@8road
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Time:
4:15 Already tired
@CosmicSquatter
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
For me it is mostly just zany entertainment. I'm hopeless and they still try to give me a glimmer of hope that a normal life might be possible for me. It isn't. Whether I believe it's possible or not. The depression that comes from knowing you are both unnecessary and unwanted. I refuse to have even have that glimmer of faith because life presents itself to me as spontaneous superfluity. I never wanted to be born and now born I fear death. Of course I could wallow in the entropy of my situation or fight against it in a small local way. Either way I will have to face the problem of the squeaky door hinge whether I choose to fix it or not. Going monk mode not by choice, but by necessity and honesty about my position in the world of people and things.
@grandmasgopnik
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I was very lucky to have my Dad in my life. He almost died when I was quite young as he was run over by a car. He survived but was in a coma for a month and in hospital for a year and had to have over 13 surgeries. I’m very thankful to have him. I had a patient similar once tell me he was afraid his children would think he was weak genuinely very sad because he had to take pain medication to play with them some days as he has terminal cancer that has caused idiopathic fractures. I told him my dad was a small man, many of the men in town called him gay because he helped my mom with house work and nurtured me while she worked. He could not walk at 21 but he loved me and would crawl from the couch to my bedroom to wake me up and play with me. He would hurt himself to spend time with me when my mother would not even look at me. As soon as he could walk he would work 3 jobs. He would stay up late from his job digging poles on the highway just to read stories with me and draw dragon ball Z characters, ask me about my day and put me to bed before they would talk about the money he could scrape together. My father worked so hard and yet I would put my hand on a glass window would not woop me but ask me to look at the other window and ask if I knew how the window got clear. I said no and he said someone cleaned it as part of their job just like my mom did. And I didn’t do it again. Not because he whooped me, not because he shamed me, but because he asked me to think about something. And I told him my dad is still a skinny man, he’s a short man, he’s don’t grow chest hair but he’s the strongest man Ive ever met.
He’s not weak because he has a sickness, he’s strong because he still is trying his hardest to be with his wife, son and infant daughter for what time he has left. His son will remember that.
@Elf-n1
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
What a gay video. You dont understand anything
@kaylynevans7354
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
1:09:24
@illegitimategame
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
The only way to become successful with women is to learn how to accept rejection.. and try again with another woman.
@Jebusss_b
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
36:41 really doe instrumental?
@-Norix-
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Throat goat nancy reagan has me dyin over here.
@duneslayer
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I essentially grew up without a father figure from my pre-teens to adulthood so I didn't have any good male role model to teach me what it means to be man and what's ok or not ok. I didn't have people from the manosphere in the 90s telling me daily how to be and how to treat a woman. I learned from old school black sitcoms that were a pretty good replacement. Learning from characters like carl Winslow and uncle Phil who were in my opinion the perfect example of strong father figures.
@its_ot
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
2026 here, literally 2 years to the day this video was dropped. I'm pretty sure….. the research is bearing out.
@nothing-t3k1e
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I got out of the manosphere through munecats videos, and the first few times watching her, I was angry at her videos thinking she just doesn't understand, but they were too logical for me to disagree with them so I came back to them again and again thinking about all the things she was showing and Redpill content started, oh there are other creators whom influenced me like munecat, being jimmy the giant, many hit pieces on Andrew tate, Johnylifestyle I think(This was a pickup artist channel I used to watch I don't really remember the name fully though, but it was a guy who claimed to have slept with 1000 women and could teach you how to get the woman of your dreams if only you pay him 1000 dollars for his system), I just wanted to say that after hearing F.D talking about how Truthers could be reached by Youtube videos.
@SoundOfMuzek
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
16:18 aren't you the same guy who made the video "the myth about black sexuality"… considering one of the main appeals of the manosphere is the perceived lack of sexual viability and the need to address that I feel you are missing out on a much more powerful connection in why leaders in the realm of the manospjer tend to be men of color…
@Godots_Raincheck
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Only 20 minutes in so maybe this will come up later but I genuinely don’t understand what people are talking about when they say men don’t know how to be men today because “they can’t get a well-paying job with just a HS diploma anymore that allows them to be a breadwinner”. I kind of don’t buy it. A lot has changed for women and womanhood is very different in terms of independence and education and finances now. Women are more educated and financially secure now and nobody had to teach women to become this new version of womanhood. They just evolved. I don’t think it’s actually different for men today. We need to get educated and financially literate and work on ourselves emotionally just as women do in our current world. The only difference seems to be that some men are resentful that women do that when they don’t have the motivation to do the same. There are obviously plenty of barriers to success but those barriers exist for women too and are exacerbated by sexism in many cases. It’s giving jealousy and insecurity, not actual identity crisis.
@jebraulter101
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
You are solid. I spent a while on this. ❤ To all 8 billion of you.
@marleneflores5597
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Sir, you inspired my PhD research, I WILL be citing you 🫵
@jamianfeazell7383
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Im glad this video touched upon the importance of intimacy as it really is something that goes understated and when you don't have it and want it, it will drive you to more extreme and pessimistic thinking.
@PurpleNovaFlare
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I originally fell into the manosphere/anti-sjw content when I was in middle school. It was way before I realized that I was non-binary and I felt weird because I didn't feel like what was the stereotype for a man. I got sucked in by idiots like No Bullshit or Dr. Shame because they were telling me that the reason was because women and queer people were 'invading men's spaces' like comics and video games and I bought it in a second because it was way easier in my head than confronting the idea that I wasn't a man, especially as I was in a self feeding cycle of disliking queer people more and therefore hiding from the truth more
@Karma-vf6vk
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Coming here out of recommendation from BrionyClaire
@lukeluke1894
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
1:23:13 Jesus it’s always coming back to Raegan 😵💫
@Liv-q4l7
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
1:08:47 As an autistic person:
I think it’s really important that these types of videos exist, with the explicit message, that while we are more likely to be in these communities we don’t have to be. The statistic isn’t 70% of autistic people are in the manosphere, it’s the other way around, so while I can emphasise I sincerely hope that they get out and realise that A. if you want to mask, that’s not the way to go and B. that you don’t have to. There are people who will love you regardless
@DessHoliday-1225
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
34:17 danny brown mentioned
@arturwillow9108
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
0:26 that Tate scenario :')
@84350Z
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Casual sex is bad for character development.
@phineas7423
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
idk if it means anything at all, but i think you did a really good job covering the ASD section as a person with it. also, don't be scared to leave us out in the future – you cool, and its better you try than not.
@lookatthepanda
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
This whole mana sphere thing sounds like a real menacing entity.
@alexgarrard472
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I wish content like this existed in 2016 before the manosphere got in the newspapers and before anyone gave a shit about what was going on in it. Plenty of guys had to make their own way out. I was there and it all stemmed from me not having anyone to talk to about my actual problems in life. I cry for my younger self.
@jamforbreakfast
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
1:06:01
@DeadEnd-ct6dh
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
As a guy that stumbled upon the manosphare at 15 and kinda was just funneled there I have a lot to say:
It's the lack of romantic or platonic relationships with girls my age + the manosphare is the only place that acknowledges that also men have it hard. But there is good news as a response to the manosphare other positive role models created safe spaces for men and that is how I got funnelled into some like Dr.K,Foreign man(the other black dude in the video) and F.D. signifier
@AntonArmsberg
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Andrew Tate's "advice" is so generic that anyone can find it online for free with a 1 minute google search. He's a total fraud xo
@FantasyDreamscapes-kg3zz
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I think that boys encountering the manosphere at a young age become a self fulfilling prophecy. That is where they learn how to treat women, which will result in women feeling repulsed by their behavior and shunning them. This rejection reinforces the misogynistic beliefs about women, and some of these men will never realize that their attitude towards women is what caused their loneliness in the first place.
@DeaconChriss
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
How do I break the cycle of the manosphere? I want to gen out and I need help
@blvck5943
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
YouTube suggesting me this after Tate got beat up in the ring😂😂😂
@Maroio
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Those ring lights reflecting on your glasses give you terminator eyes (surprisingly fitting for this topic)
@RestlessLich
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
It is channel's like yours that pulled me away from the doomer incel pickup scam bs when I was young. From a white man, thank you F.D Signifier.
@GoodHoontah
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I love that you talk about how engaging with manosphere content in any way, even antagonistically, only further perpetuates the content engine. The best way to approach it is not at all
@PinkiePi
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Part of the problem is proper education. But a major part is bad parenting and bad culture.
I'm terrible with women and have been cheated on by almost every partner I've ever had. But I don't blame them and I don't hate women nor hold misogynistic views.
I was raised by shitty, mostly absent parents, in a culture that normalized and even glorified pornography, and picked the terrible women I pucked because of my damages and codependency. I saw and chose to ignore red flags and incompatibilities. I maintained patterns that hurt myself. Personal responsibility is a lost concept.
@michaelelliott2194
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
Yoooo that Westside Connection into goes hard
@mayomonkey5
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I’m believer of their is no new issue. The reason they feel new is because you can’t really recognize your own evil because you do things that you believe to be right or justified. And belief is hard to change or even perceive it’s not super logical as most would like to think you can reason/logic things away they are intrinsically tied to their belief/ self or ego which if you’ve ever met a insecure man or woman they believe they aren’t x, y and z and thus over compensate and puff their chests up metaphorically and literally to look or act like their ideal. So when you attack their ideal they can’t handle it. And we all have ideals that we want to be and it’s human nature to attack those that attack them. And when you strongly identify with something you unconsciously think of that thing as a part of you an extension of you. And that’s what we call ego. The attachments you make to certain things/people. So when someone tries to crack your shell you can’t just sit there calmly and take it unless you put visible effort into doing that but you tend to snap and that “snap” is your defense mechanism and that mechanism is great for persevering in hard situations and sticking to successful strategies. Because despite what is optimal in the moment your brain wired to stick to your guns because straying will get you killed more often than not. And me a very masculine man thought I needed to learn what masculinity meant because I was and still am extremely neurodivergent and I can’t really process others emotions very well aka I am completely devoid of empathy and I have to do my best to logically understand what others are feeling and thinking and trying to understand it and sympathetically reason and respond. which leads to me constantly researching social phenomena. And to be honest I now understand the human psyche way better than those around me but I still miss a lot of social ques and what I had to learn was toxic masculinity. And that sounds weird but you can’t understand the normal or healthy without understanding the unhealthy or abnormal. And when I was 11 I dove into the manosphere thinking it would help me but all it did was slightly alienate me at the time but that was almost negligible tbh and I was already extremely different from my peers. But as I’ve grown that experience helped me learn so much more about the neurotypical and myself and the human condition. So yeah it’s trash but it honestly helped me so much more than the core message and I think to censor content for adults and or older teens is extremely wrong and leads to less learning and growth. But the biggest thing I had to learn how to deal with my masculinity and the masculinity of those around me. And what they believe to be wrong/weak was extremely valuable to me and was probably the most valuable learning experience I had as a young teen/older kid. But I don’t think we should ever advertise this type of content it is very hurtful to those who are more neurotypical and can lead to more antisocial behavior and can increase the alienation these people feel. This causes the school shootings and the grooming when you grow up around the negative you become the negative because it’s textbook human to copy what we see to learn it.
@laura7777
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
while it’s true that these people definitely need help, i think that when you say that we need to listen to these boys and hear their needs for intimacy and physical contact etc, you kinda ignore the fact that these boys are, in practice, horrible people a lot of the time, even if they haven’t committed outright violent acts or thrown out death threats. i know that these boys have been radicalized by forces beyond their control or comprehension but the result of this radicalization is very often that they learn to treat women like shit, be homophobic/transphobic/racist to seem cool to other boys, and adopt views that make them impossible to associate with. like as a trans girl i frankly don’t really give a shit what’s making you launch a transphobic tirade at me, that’s a hard boundary where i cut off communication with you. i don’t know what the solution really is for these people but you cannot blame people when they see an incel being an incel and they’re like “fuck off incel”, because 9 times out of 10 these people are not just approaching you like “oh yk i’m kinda touch starved and it’s been bothering me for a while” they’re usually saying some shit like “shut your fucking mouth female” in casual conversation.
@jamespain2138
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
50:13 Fk I look like feeling bad for a 304 😂?
@micahchristopherson2188
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I think something interesting would to get a larger sample of young men to see what percent of them engage in manosphere content
@Fourtune1
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
28:11 no, they give up because there’s no hope
@Y13dea
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
That awkward performative cigar smoking is so funny to me.
@wustafa1771
June 10, 2026 at 3:59 am
I havent been relationship with anyone last 2 years. No casual. No sexual. No romantic.
Lonelyness and depression make you unemphetatic to other peoples pain.
I actually preffer getting used to lonelyness at this point….
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