Did Microsoft Steal Disk Compression? | Nostalgia Nerd
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CompUSA Image: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/153966880986279419/
The Stacker Conspiracy (opinion): https://grantster.com/2012/06/07/the-stacker-conspiracy/
Product Comparison: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uEkrL23rU98C&pg=PT280&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
InfoWorld 17 Feb 1992 / Product Reviews: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_z0EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA62&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
DOS 6 Benefits (Double Space): https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kjyIOLYr7yMC&pg=PA123&dq=dblspace&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlgqOOy_LrAhVGTsAKHQLmB_gQ6AEwBHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=dblspace&f=false
DOS 6 Over-view : https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XNt4ttAFAiwC&pg=PA126&dq=doublespace&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiftZfHy_LrAhUGWsAKHdZVBF0Q6AEwAnoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=vertisoft&f=false
Court Proceedings Timeline (archived): https://ia803004.us.archive.org/4/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.61123/gov.uscourts.cacd.61123.docket.html
Stac vs Microsoft Text (archived): https://archive.org/details/STACMS_ZIP
1990 Hard Drive Ad: https://archive.org/details/PC_Magazine_1990_05_29_v9n10/page/n457/mode/2up?q=hard+drives
Stac Share Price June 1994: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=x_1p1FQCWXkC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=stac+electronics+share+price+1995&source=bl&ots=HdlhVkwvxP&sig=ACfU3U1FGkSsJQbkHjzFOmafjPl4kxyw8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwitvYaBmfPrAhU_QUEAHR7xDk8Q6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=trip%20hawkins&f=false
DoubleCheck problems: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8zoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=doublecheck+program+blossom+software&source=bl&ots=d47fmqGfJQ&sig=ACfU3U1z6lJDPdWL4Sc8BkKiaua1gc6_0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7z-b36_DrAhWVQEEAHaReBjMQ6AEwEnoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
Patents: https://patents.justia.com/assignee/stac-electronics
VHS History Stills: https://vhistory.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/
DR-DOS 6 Stills: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DR-DOS-6-0-COMPLETE-AND-SEALED-in-Original-Box-See-Pics-for-Condition/274462677409?hash=item3fe74019a1:g:1iQAAOSwENVfOqGY
MS-DOS Promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEvPZUdAVI&t=120s
Stac Case Report 28 February 1994: https://tidbits.com/1994/02/28/stac-wins-suit-against-microsoft/
Stac Shareholder Lawsuit: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1221920.html
LZF Data Compression ANSI Document: http://masters.donntu.org/2003/fvti/boykov/library/lzs.pdf
Stacker: an illustrated Guide (archive): https://archive.org/details/stackerillustrat00gook/page/n15/mode/2up
GeoCities DoubleSpace Overview: http://www.geocities.ws/politalk/dos/dbldos.htm
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@di380
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Not to defend Microsoft here, but sounds insane to me at this age an era that there was a time where litigation happened over implementing algorithms in software. I’m glad we are not in that era anymore
@kennethjakobsen7295
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Transparent full disk encryption would hsve become a commodity eventually regardless.
@michaelkeller5008
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
i remember receiving a 3,5"-disc lifting my ms-dos to 6.22 (after registering my msdos6-package)… never gotten drivespace (or doublespace for that matter) to run, no free space on my harddrive back then 🙂
@GlynDaviesM0OGD
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
They were a great way to lose all of your data.
@manicmadnessallen2672
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
They basically stole most of these stuff.. ideas ect
@chloedevereaux1801
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
you mean, " we came we saw we blatently stole it "………..
@billj5645
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
I started with an IBM PC with dual floppy drives. At some point I was visiting Austin, TX and went into a tiny little store in a small strip center, a store called CompuAdd, the only store they had at the time. They offered hard drive kits to add to your PC so I bought one. The 10MB kit was $400, the 20MB kit was $450 so I bought that one and used it for a long time. That begain a stead upgrade in hard drive space that has taken me to 5TB inside my current desktop computer.
You mention PKZip. There were a lot of those different programs available too and spawned big legal battles between the authors. I remember that each new program had to be careful to not use the same verbs as the previous one- how many different words can you use for "compress" for instance. I seem to remember that .ARC was the first one and .LZH was in there too.
I was always leery of doublespace and never used it but of course I had to buy larger hard drives.
@CMOS4081
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Off topic, but who remembers ARJ and ARC besides PKZIP/PKUNZIP compression tools?
@NordicChrononaut
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Well, actually both M$ and Papple "personal" were thieves in those days, starting with G. and J. and yes, they did not just steal one thing ….
@heathbruce9928
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Yes they stole it. DOS. Double space. Remote desktop software. Remember their motto: embrace extend extinguish
@sammythesquib69
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
10:47 “1.6:1 ratio” o..oh yea, that’s doubling you know yea yea!!!
i knew it was bs, knowing now how marketing works i would not have bought it knowing its complete bs, and the seller for lying would have gone out of business for lying and nobody would ever deceive consumers again… but alas that’s not what happened and people keep letting these greedy companies lie and mislead to the hilt. well, im not responsible!
if i was a judge i would sew them as much as their false claims stated, so for everything they made i would sew them
@trevorchapman9866
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
What didn't they steal?
@Dude_Duude_DuUUDE
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
It's not just Microsoft – it's the corporate world today – I worked for a successful tech company who developed suites of Security Software and we got bought up by Symantec. Went from wearing a suit to work to having to wear a canary yellow golf shirt. Acquiring intellectual property is the name of the game even if you treat the people who made it like 💩
@oscartango2348
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
If Microsoft was near it, they definitely stole it.
@andywolan
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
I like how in Microsoft J++, they had a tool where the executable name was MSZIP and MSunzip. Name awfully similar to PKZIP and PKunzip.
@RobertNicholas
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Wow, a really interesting review! Great work.
@PSjustanormalguy
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
I ran Stacker for years and never had a bad compressed sector. Doublespace on the other hand was slower and less reliable, i have a distinct memory of rebuilding the disk from scratch because the compressed partition had grenaded
By the time I got DOS 6.22 it was 1996, and I just splashed out AUD $500 for a 1.6GB drive and never needed Driveapace. (Yikes that is $1000 in today's money)
@NatalieThress
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
My dad worked at Sundog in the 90s and now he works for the company that bought them
@JamesShelnutt2
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
file size compression was a main plot of the show "Silicon Valley" in the first season.
@zerocooler7
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
I remember this time period. I looked into using disk compression on my home PC but decided the risk was not worth it.
@mkatakm
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Once being a DOS user since 5, I never needed disk compression.
@shihonage
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Doublespace and Stacker felt like very different software. Stacker was slower. Doublespace was less effective but faster and more polished. It never felt like they were based on the same code.
@brunomass
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
As a child I remember my father having bought Stacker. The software package came with a hardware coprocessor card that had to be installed in order to not hinder the performance of the pc. It worked really well and I remember we doubled our XT's 30 Mb hard drive to around 60 Mb total. I even remember there were some pufferfish stickers that came in the box so that you could show everyone you had Stacker… Great vid!
@Christian-p4p6e
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
And the mouse…from IBM
@ultrametric9317
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
This is a case where patent infringement was incredibly lucrative to the victim. Hard disk space was increasing so rapidly that the need for compression soon disappeared. And STAC-ing a drive was in practice a one-way operation – by the time the compressed drive was more than half full, it became nearly impossible to un-STAC in realistic time frames. I remember one drive that required nearly 2 weeks to un-STAC.
@Metoclopramide-k3c
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Does anyone know the first two songs used in the video?
@OKuusava
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
How it seems -again, more like a story of US firms being nasty, one in a loooong line.
@subculture-records
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
DR DOS pissed all over MS DOS, and had compression software way before it.
@ezvic420
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
iCAME , iSAW , To Infinite Bytes ♾️ and beyond 🥤😎💻💾
@lexzbuddy
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
It stole, swindled, bullied and ripped off so many, this would be pretty much expected behavior and par for the course.
@laserquant
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
The whole OS was stolen from Gary Kildall initially.
@BramHeerebout
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
I loved stacker! I actually loved dos 6.0 too. Although I don't think at the time I knew anyone who actually paid for those things. We were just poor school kids.
@esphilee
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Is there anything in micrsoft that is not stolen?
@timotheegoulet1511
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
2:51 I remember that puffer fish photo in some magazine(s)!
@gulfofmexico1569
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Or you could just use PKZip.
@Randgalf
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
– Did Microsoft steal-
– Yes.
@SiraTorProductions
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
Funny how we went from chkdsk to scandisk, back to chkdsk
@MightyDrakeC
September 11, 2026 at 7:13 am
The articles I read at the time described the interaction between Microsoft and Stac a little differently. It was along the lines of, Microsoft set up a deal and worked with Stac engineers on integrating Stacker more tightly into MS-DOS. A short time later, after seeing the techniques that the Stacker guys were using, Microsoft canceled the deal and used that knowledge to implement DoubleSpace.
I have no inside knowledge of what actually happened. That's just the impression I remember having from the magazine articles of the time