AI Music: Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?

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I dont know. I have mixed feelings. I get what your saying. I've used AI for several of my songs. Just to experiment. I ended up using a piece of a stem or two in different sections. It also gave me different ideas about where the song could go and ultimately helped me make a better song. I did 99 percent of the work and sequencing. It just helped me think about structure and instrumentation slightly differently. I used the settings in Suno so that it kept the song very similar to my original work as far as genre and arrangement. In the end, for the producer, if used correctly and tastefully, its essentially a writing collaborator. I still had a great time doing the puzzle of the song and that part was definitely not left out for me.

I'm waiting for the band of real musicians who play music as if it's AI generated. How will people take it?

If you hate Suno then hate all of it don’t just pick and choose 👀don’t use Stem separation 🤷🏾‍♂️ be a purest all the way 😂. Complete the whole “puzzle” by yourself

What is he complaining about? Musicians have ALWAYS lifted sounds and music from other musicians. Daryl Hall said Mike Jackson lifted the beat of "I Can't Go for That" for "Billie Jean" and he was okay with it. He wasn't compensated for it. The only way to beat A.I. is to play LIVE MUSIC and that's going to change in the future with hologram artists backed by A.I. sounds. Pandora's box has been opened… the genie is out of the bottle… so get used to it or create your own board game or puzzles for entertainment.🤔

Wait. The guy that likes music primarily created by sampling existing works has a problem with the technology that allows music to be created by a sampling existing works ??!?!

I’m just pointing at stuff. Do with it what you will.

your puzzle analogy is exactly right. A.I. appeals to lazy people who want maximum reward for minimum effort.

there are people that can get creative with 2.2 seconds of sampling time and a handful of records, and there are others that just want everything to happen without them even trying. if people want to use AI to create music then there's nothing stopping them, but im never gonna support any artist that does, because its just corny. it will always be corny.

3:03 soooo f*cking lame imma use ai let ai make the parts then imma just record what the ai did. lol how is that still ok ? Why yall ai haters draw the line where you draw it is all i wanna no. I think that’s so much worse. Id pick me writing a song and letting ai perform it over ai writing your song and you performing it 🤷🏼‍♂️ sorry not sorry. There is no loophole awarded your using ai period there’s no “but” you just don’t got the balls to say ya I’m using ai.

That puzzle analogy was awesome. Will be using that lol.

There's been a statement about AI for a while that goes "I need AI to do my chores so that I can work on my art, not AI to work on my art so that I can do my chores." That statement really is true in 2 different ways. AI to literally do the work that distracts from the creative process, and also if you define the creative process of art as work that's too hard or draining for you and use AI to accomplish it, then you're not creating anything to be considered art.

I'm not against AI completely. For example, there are some amazing uses for AI in the medical field related to analyzing all sorts of scan images to pick up on things that will save lives. Not because the doctors are incompetent and relying on it, but because noticing the subtlest thing out of place that a doctor would reasonably discount as meaningless could mean the difference between dying to or surviving something like cancer.

Just some thoughts I had that, as you described, take some competency to understand and know the weight of.

Very well said!

No thanks!

Yes… auto tune is Ai so a lot of artist use autotune…

Yes most all DAWs have built in Ai. Many many plugins are Ai.

So Ai is used all over the place.

I don’t like people. I prefer to work alone. AI works very good for me. Again I don’t like people.

Preach 🙌

5:30 LOVE the puzzle analogy! 🤣

As a kid Queen proudly announced no synthesizers were used on this album, at school there was national campaign in th UK to 'keep music live' – synths and samplers were killing music and taking real musicians jobs, the 90s i was told using a computer to make music was cheating and not real music, early 2000's using CD's to DJ wasnt real DJ-ing digital camera werent real photography, cetain images werent art as they were made in photoshop
Iv been releasing music for over 25 years, mainly house/techno / lo fi breaks n soul samples, sampled right from my vinyl……….. i have no issues sampling AI breaks, vocals beats, lush strings or anything really to upload into my DAW, nobody will tell me whats acceptable to sample.
i recently released a track which cant be made without a real singer, backing singers, choir and a rapper, for me thats a fkng instant win.
Are we all going to pretend the music thats been released in the past 20 years is on par with the previous centuary (as a whole) come on, the industry itself is an over inflated hype fest of sh1t.
Theres always going to be talent that people pay to see, people will always learn instruments, a good song will always be a good song regardless of how it was made.

1-I disagree, people not knowing how "working with AI" happens are fantasizing about how it works. It is not just prompting (it can be too).
But if you type : "make a song in the style of X that talk about THIS subject", of course you will get that generic AI slop. There are so many more levels of integration of AI into your creating process.

2- If you make a simple track with all the sections, the melody. You write the text, hum the topline. Then you put everything into an AI black box and ask it to sing with a chosen voice, your words following your topline, in conjunction with the melody and the articulation of your track.
Does AI did the song or it was a tool for you to do the song you've written at every level ?
When vocaloid or choirs vst went out, they were just new tools…

3-On my side I can do a track from nothing minus the singing, and sound design/presets is what I hate the most, by the time if found "the right sound/texture" the idea as evaporate. So I do thing a little bit drafty and use AI to do the sound design because a grid of notes with a vst guitar will never sound like what the AI could play following your grid with the style of the prompt you gave her.

4-In 30 years flirting with the music industry, I have been thru so many scams, egos, delays, cancellation and so on. So doing everything by yourself and keeping it how you envision things is a blessing.

5-One of the feature I like the most is feeding it with my old projects and see what proposition (remixes) it can come out with. That's probably better than letting tracks sitting on my hard drive.

6-You can also generate tracks, stems, import these into your daw then use everything as samples and flip the song.

(Oh I also know basic music theory, play drums, a little bit of bass, can mix & master) .

I believe that most people doing music arent doing it for the art and and the move of music. They're doing it to make money. Full stop.

I heard this same argument when the synths came out. It's all progression. Those that don't adapt and use the new tools will be relegated to history. So you can be upset, you can cry about it or you can evolve. It's just a different tool. Those that love the music will do music and pioneer regardless.

I’m a user and eventually you will be too. Costs Costs Costs. Two years in and loving it….

I don't see the problem if one sample their own music. Just like you sample hit records…..think about it. People take a song, already a hit mind you, then take bits from it, change the speed, the key of the note, add some drums, and they say they made a beat. Those producers did not make a track from nothing……what about those who use midi to auto correct their notes??? They still used technology. Honestly, A.I. has helped producers who have made their own tracks to sound more professional. Now any other reason than sampling ones own work, I don't agree with