Can Humanity Survive AI Utopia? Lessons from Rodents and Rogan

You say all this stuff with no numbers and no actually examples, one of my favourite years in recent times was Covid, and for my friends too, we enjoyed being in the garden, enjoyed playing outside, enjoyed having lots of spare time to do the things that we loved, boring work that you have to do every day does not make you feel good, I no it’s not black and white and everyone is different, some people need work but you’re talking like everyone needs to have a Job and that they will just want to go and do nothing but I’m pretty sure the data does not show that?

Yeah no. Jobs are retarded. Passion and drive are NOT the same as most jobs people do for sustenance. I'm with Joe on this. Enough people would figure it out. Those who don't can pretend to work a job on some capitalistic larp Island or some shit. GTFO with your "JOBS ARE LYFE!" idiots. You all haven't heard of a hobby before?

Your way ahead of yourself the ultra rich has just about terminated the world we've all enjoyed your basic American can't afford health care let alone AI infrastructure or a future for their kids

why do you assume all human beings will just lay in bed? Thats just crazy talk. Aint gonna happen. NO we will adapt and refocus our time and energy into more enjoyable purposefull fulfilling objectives. Your so narrow minded about that. Work for me is mindless and dull.

Wow, unsubscribing after this, we would absolutely find something to do with our time. Not everybody wants to work, their life away like you.

Perfect storm…emergence of AI- ASI, and financial disparity….mouse utopia

Deaf Phoenicians. Our take on words is already out of alignment, hence Babylon. Depression can simply mean deep rest of the soul. Also our self awareness allows conscience enlightenment. Those who can step away from an extreme way of logic will be capable of things supernatural. These are all belief systems and placebos. I'm not saying these evolution patterns don't happen, but that they happen because we keep saying that they can happen. We keep pushing the past into the now and continuing it through thinking. It's already in us to do the right thing and when the times come, we naturally do what needs to be done in the correct way. Presently we do not need a lot to live on but have created way too much useless stuff that now needs maintained and filtered out so we get A.I. True genuine is simplifying the complicated and in recent past it was severally inverted. Giving very few too much control. But now a level playing field is coming into view and it can look scary for those who were oppressed, creating the acting out. But we are given time to adjust and assimilate and clean up our acts to rise together. The derangement comes from not being able to be yourself to your full potential because of the control systems and limitations in place while becoming increasingly aware (Christ consciousness). Once you realize what you truly are and this place truly is in a loving way. Until then we keep coming up against that force we put on ourselves.

Great share. And I'm just putting in my two cents. good vibes here

….the emergence of the trend / behavior, of "look maxing" ….

I feel like people are divided on this topic based on how they and people they know will react to not having to work. I and the people I am closest to would thrive so I’m all for UBI and similar.
Look at trust fund babies. Some just spend their lives partying and playing video games. Others are serial entrepreneurs or spend their time travelling or applying their creativity.

AI tasks are epic. AI chaining is epic. While the result seems like it could end the world. It’s fun as as heck to learn about and test right now. Great points here. ❤ 🏄‍♂️ time to go surf

What’s the point of having kids when the world is going to end with endless wars trying recover the last of our resources, and countries that control much of those resources are totally mentally controlled to hate the U.S.? And likely nuclear war and destruction will ultimately prevail? People like Putin are just an example of how crazy the human mind can get. And, when most women have been psyoped to never trust men or support them in any way or even listen when we try to ask questions to agree on hasty decisions they make. And to give them benefit of the doubt they are too scared to trust anyone and are pre-disposed to hate men who care most about them because they see it as a weakness when we have been trained to be honest and empathetic? What is the point of trying to learn something new when AI has automated everything you spent your life learning through MS & PhD? Why get out of bed with all this. Anyone who can get out of bed and ignore all these signals, just doesn’t understand AI well enough yet.

Extrapolating findings from rodents to humans is notoriously difficult because of vast differences in our genetics, immune systems, and brain complexity. While mice and rats share much of our DNA, biological systems differ so much that promising rodent studies fail to translate into humans over 80% of the time.Several famous studies and biological lessons highlight exactly why relying on rodent-to-human translation can be misleading:

1. "Mouse Utopia" (Universe 25) vs. Human SocietyIn the 1960s, researcher John B. Calhoun placed mice in a closed enclosure ("Universe 25") with unlimited food and water but limited physical space. As the population grew, the mice stopped mating, neglected their young, and became highly aggressive.The Rodent Lesson: It was initially thought to prove that overpopulation causes society to collapse into a "behavioral sink" of apathy and violence.The Human Debunking: Psychologists and sociologists later discovered this does not apply to humans. Mice lack the capacity to alter their environment, regulate social roles, or use technology to cope. Humans use cognitive restructuring, privacy mechanisms, and social structures to adapt to high-density environments without automatically turning violent or ceasing reproduction.

2. "Rat Park" and the Addiction MythIn the late 1970s, the "Rat Park" experiment placed rats in a large, stimulating environment filled with toys, social interaction, and other rats. When given the choice between plain water and morphine-laced water, the "Rat Park" rodents overwhelmingly preferred the plain water, whereas isolated rats in traditional cages drank the morphine.The Rodent Lesson: This was frequently extrapolated to suggest that addiction is exclusively caused by isolation and poor environment, and that drug rehabilitation could be solved simply by a better, "happier" surrounding.The Human Debunking: Addiction in humans is far more complex. While environment and trauma play massive roles, human addiction involves powerful genetic components, psychiatric comorbidities, and neurochemical dependence that simple social enrichment cannot override.

3. Medical and Drug Trials (The 20% Success Rate)Rodents serve as the backbone of biomedical and pharmaceutical research, with millions used yearly in the United States. However, they are vastly less reliable when modeling human diseases.Metabolism & Systems: Rodent metabolisms are much faster than ours. A drug dosage that cures cancer or eliminates tumors in a mouse can cause catastrophic organ failure in humans.Genetic Networks: Even when sharing genes, the biological networks that link genes to diseases differ between rodents and primates. A notable example is Endostatin, which completely wiped out tumors in laboratory mice but had minimal and inconsistent effects in human clinical trials.The Immune System: Mouse immune systems, particularly in their responses to inflammation and infection, are starkly different from humans.

4. Anatomy and Brain DifferencesRodents have smooth cerebral cortices (the brain's outer layer), whereas humans have heavily folded, complex cortices that allow for abstract thought, language, and nuanced emotional regulation. Therefore, extrapolating behavioral or psychiatric data (like fear, anxiety, or depression) from a rodent to a human oversimplifies deeply human psychological frameworks.

I think the problem is the generalization. Some people have the drive to do challenging things regardless of the reward. Some people refuse to do anything challenging regardless of the reward. I fall under the first, I climb mountains, put myself in survival type situations for fun, I build with my hands not for money but because I enjoy it. I will never run out of purpose and please give me the ability to have anything I want. I have more ambition than time and resources!!!! A world of ultimate abundance will only help facilitate my wants and dreams.

Edit: Its the generational part that probably is true unfortunately. Just look at now, soft parenting, hyper left and hyper right, DSA, Maybe we are fucked at the right timescale.