Why Natalie Harp Is Trump’s Most Sinister Goon | The Daily Beast Podcast
Kurt Andersen and Joanna Coles take a wild ride through the strange characters, political fantasies, and very plausible futures shaping America right now. Andersen sizes up Natalie Harp as a figure so bizarre she could have stepped out of Dickens, Orwell, or The Simpsons, before revisiting his new novel’s startling vision of Donald Trump’s death and an America fractured beyond recognition. They debate whether the country’s divisions could really lead to disunion, why fiction may be better equipped than nonfiction to capture this political moment, and whether Jon Ossoff has emerged as the Democrat to watch. Then, the conversation takes an even stranger turn as Andersen reviews his former coke dealer RFK Jr.’s unlikely new food podcast and what it might reveal about life after Trump.
00:00 – Natalie Harp: The Stalker Who Got the Job
06:46 – Why Natalie Harp Is Like Smithers
12:16 – Kurt Andersen Imagines Trump’s Final Act
17:12 – Could America Really Split Apart?
21:28 – A Future Without Dystopia
26:05 – Why America’s Political Divide Feels Different
32:13 – Jon Ossoff’s 2028 Moment
37:02 – RFK Jr.’s Strange New Cooking Show
41:39 – The Long-Term Damage of America’s Anti-Vaccine Turn
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📖 Title: Why Natalie Harp Is Trump’s Most Sinister Goon
👂 Podcast: The Daily Beast Podcast
📺 Episode: 755
🎧 Format: Full Podcast
📅 Date: August 23, 2026
👨💼 Guest: Kurt Andersen
🎙️ Host: Joanna Coles
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@RayLocke-i2f
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Natalie relicks Trumps his postage stamps !
@DinCla-f4f
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
The horse of "Animal Farm" so prescient and timely as our own wild mustangs are sold for animal feed…
@ooohnooo8029
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Trump takes supreme pleasure in the total debasement if the people around him.
She's perfect
@cheryllakin6736
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Except trump is too decrepit to see 82 let alone 92
@great-garden-watch
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
You’re underestimating narcissists like trump. They believe everyone loves them because they are amazing. Yes sometimes they correctly conclude a lunatic here or there doesn’t like them but that’s not the norm in my opinion
@lfithaca
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Human beings, as history or psychology texts record, develop obsessions of all sorts. Our collective mental landscape, 'directed' by karma, can be quite unmanageable and deeply disturbing. So many examples come to mind, as we see in this discussion of film, literature and even cartoons. Very engaging episode.
@c.a.savage5689
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
To my knowledge, the phrase "short-fingered vulgarian" was coined by Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair.
@chrissslike-n1h
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
In history, if you mentioned the kings death, it was considered treason!!😮
@sspinacable
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
If Trump does something to “offend or upset” Natalie, isn’t it possible that she could flip out and hurt Trump?
@Dee-y6b
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Just the sheer disrespect to Dr Jonas Salk!🤬🤬
@911JHMLLM
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
“A stalker who got the job”. Beautiful.
@nikihartney5257
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
I enjoyed this Joanna ❤
@EthneWhitley
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Definitely a dark psychological thriller with a twist at the end!
@fromgermany271
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Let’s hope „the book“ is incorrect in dates.
@Racheld1x
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Smythers!! this guy is funny
@mortenebbesen1217
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
What about Eva Braun?
@mjsonodotcom
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
I love that, I believe, you only mention rfkjr by name in the final seconds.
@PeppermintGina
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
I do worry that all this coverage of Natalie Harp may push her to a similar fate of her father's. She's obviously unstable.
@smiling_goat_3404
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
It's debatable that the diseases were eradicated – no vaccination means there is still every likelihood one can contract which ever – both measles and polio (etc) are still present and in circulation for instance – they're still with us but just controlled through vaccines.
@GS8527
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Natalie Harpy…
@kathystavrou5546
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Core Similarities, Mr Flay in Gormeghast and Natalie Harp in the weird castle keep of the White House? (Lord Google says ….) Total Devotion and Near-Constant Presence: In Gormenghast, Mr. Flay rarely leaves Lord Sepulchrave's side, operating as his silent, fiercely protective shadow. Similarly, The New York Times notes that Natalie Harp is "never not there," working around the clock out of the Oval Office, traveling on Marine One, and remaining constantly by the President's side.The Guarding of Information: Mr. Flay is the primary filter of who and what gets to the Earl, protecting Sepulchrave from disruptions. Natalie Harp plays a modern version of this role; she manages Trump's Truth Social account, drafts his social media posts, and acts as a direct filter of the news and memes he consumes.Deep Personal Obligation: Mr. Flay's loyalty is tied to the ancient, rigid traditions of the Groan lineage. Harp’s loyalty is deeply personal—she openly credits Trump's "Right to Try" legislation with granting her access to experimental bone cancer treatments that saved her life. This has manifested in leaked letters to Trump where she expressed that she never wanted to bring him "anything but joy" and that he is "all that matters to me".
@brendanreilly5412
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Steven Miller is Trump's Himmler
@electronixTech
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Mike Johnson always struck me as a Smithers character to Trump's Mr. Burns.
@FatBeardo
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Way I imagine Trump's end is of sepsis resulting from severe constipation, in a prison psychiatric ward, completely succumbed to his dementia, raving and snarling like a rabid animal.
@vickierafael3668
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Natalie Harp is living proof religious based home schooling is a terrible idea. What is wrong with people in this country? It’s not the pioneer days when kids were lucky to get any instruction at all. For Pete’s sake kids need the social interaction public school provides. Thanks , daily beast, for intelligent interviews.
@pjdoller
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Smithers!…..perfect….
@djangowoof
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
I wish you all who are so interested in why Natalie, Thump, and others would acquaint yourselves with contemporary psychoanalytically oriented theories because they apply in this drama. For instance I imagine Natalie as love starved as a child. If she did feel love it was only if she pleased those who brought her up. She is desperately repeating her childhood experience. I would predict that if T could truly love her unconditionally, she would flee. She needs to literally and figuratively run after him. Some would call it “love bombing.” I don’t consider her a stalker yet but do see her as obsessed. Also, being a part of his life gives her self-esteem – makes her feel important. Actually they are a good match for now because there are boundaries for both. Many in my field would call her borderline. Her grasp on reality is problematic but I don’t see danger yet. When the relationship ends Natalie will most likely become depressed – maybe she will harm herself. There is a chance that she will feel rage to ward off the depression in which case who knows? All that i have said is just my opinion based on my experience as a therapist for 40 years. I hope it helps.
@dickie_white
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Very good Kurt – it's quite difficult to think of on the money examples, other than minor characters in Shakespeare. She's a little Don Quixote, of course, and I suppose Charles Swann -lite, but that only leans into his desperate love sickness. A close friend told me one day that he'd decided to 'employed his stalker'. He was a very good reliable employee for a long time (my friend was/is a racehorse trainer, and his stalked became a 'travelling lad' as we call them), but it inevitably ended badly. The short form of the story is that the stalker pretended to be too ill to work, and my friend had to hire private detectives who eventually found him on an adventure holiday.
@worrierqueen5695
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Natalie must hate Trump if she loves Trump as much as his children and his wife do. 😱
@Cameron-i5w1t
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
She is not an interesting character. She is the same as Hegseth, a mindless sycophant.
@Scott2148
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
"Natalie Smithers" WOW.
@Jayebird69
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Natalie Harp is DJT's Annie Wilkes/Kathy Bates
@carolinemaybe
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Natalie is like the assistant to the Murdoch character in Succession. She wept more over his death than any of his family.
@tpu55
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
sick of sycophantic antics
@chriscraddock6748
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
“A stalker who got the job”. On Will and Grace Jack is stalking Kevin Bacon. Jack McFarland's obsession with Kevin Bacon culminates in the Will & Grace Season 5 episode "Bacon and Eggs," which originally aired on October 3, 2002. In the episode, Jack's real-life stalking surprisingly pays off when he tricks his way into an interview and gets hired as Kevin Bacon's personal assistant, leading to a memorable dance finale. Episode Plot and Highlights: The Interview: Jack beats out other applicants using his deep, encyclopedic knowledge of Kevin Bacon's filmography and personal trivia.The First Assignment: Kevin Bacon hires Jack and immediately assigns him a top-priority task: track down the very stalker who has been harassing him (unaware that the stalker is Jack himself).
@rosemareenibbs126
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
Love Kurt’s characterisations. Just wondering, is there any chance of getting Dr John G on to discuss Natalie Harp’s behaviour and what that means for the White House?
@andrewmorse620
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
I love that Joanna’s t shirt says “clementine” and the way her blazer cuts up the word, it looks like “dementia” d[ementi]a. And there’s a picture of an apparently orange clementine. I doubt it was intentional but it adds a delightful layer.
@wr3915
August 24, 2026 at 11:50 am
I thought it was Graydon Carter who defined Chump as the 'short-fingered vulgarian'.