The Truth About Music School

did the guy who invented music school go to music school?
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
01:15 what job in music do you want?
01:50 special guests!
02:29 what school do you want to go to?
04:37 wow music school costs a lot
06:38 why is music school so expensive?
08:16 is music school a good investment?
09:29 what is the value of a music degree?
12:44 should you skip music school?
15:27 even if you don’t make it, do you still want to pursue music?
18:07 who is music school for, and who is it not for?
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@michaelkiese7794
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
The best education in music will always be the BANDSTAND.
Music is a language.
If you want to learn Chinese, does it make more sense to learn Chinese in a classroom and go 300K in debt?
Or, should you just go to a country that speaks Chinese and immerse yourself in the language and culture?
Learning music in college is like learning Chinese in a classroom where the teacher has questionable fluency in Chinese, and you’re learning Chinese alongside other students who are also trying to learn Chinese.
@lolopinko3385
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
lads if its 3k a year yall think its good ROI?
@gabrielcandidomusico
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
One of the best videos about! Another point; countries who speaks english is so expesive, for example in germany music schools are relative cheap, in Brasil public universites are free, and there are great music courses, but we in Brasil suffer with high levels of insecurity, social vunerability, lack of sanitation, high taxes and lack of access to equipment. if i had been born in EUA, maybe I wouldn't be majoring in music or would be, i don't no, for me an average brazilian study on julliard is impossible haha 86.000 U$ x 5,5 (Real Brazillian)… here is comum one people get two degree, and one master and still win a scholarshipfor example.
@csurname
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
14:02 very cute stock footage. don't even bother plugging it in
@csurname
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I did this without the social reward. I was also without the social skills, but it's worth noting the social reward isn't definitively granted. In my case, there were 6 people on my course.
@stupidblech8456
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I graduated from my music degree in 2019 and my intention throughout my entire degree was to do my masters in music therapy. I sat the interview, I did the audition – and then I did a complete cartwheel into nursing.
I’m about to finish my nursing degree now and if I’m being honest, do I regret doing music? Maybe 5% of me does – but I got so much out of my 1st degree. I met my husband, I worked as a music teacher for 6 years and only had to give it up because I moved. Is the debt annoying? Absolutely, but I still have the degree and that will never change.
@mjuzumaki
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
Guy like me (Caribbean) we pirate all that shit from torrent (we don't care how old the edition is, we work it out however we can) & start from an ALSO pirated version of Ableton Live & f around until we hit gold.
@christianholmskyum1403
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
In Denmark the most common form of higher music education is to get into a music conservatory, and you get paid by the government through SU to go there. Not a lot, but enough for a cheap apartment and food
@CarlosLalonde
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
This was a great video! Wish I saw it before I got my music degree 🥲
@daybrink1267
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I do want to point something out about NYU, the NYU promise makes it so that if your family makes under 100k per year, you do not have to pay tuition. Plus, most people live off campus for the majority of the time, so the estimate in the 70k range is more accurate for a lot of people.
@FoolishFrankie
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
Good video
@KermitJaggerBand
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
GREAT VIDEO. I graduated from Ithaca College in 2014 for TV & Video Production. Filmmaking was my first passion, after practically having a video camera glued to my hand since age 13. I was always filming and editing things. It was all I cared about. Love what you said about the "experience" of college. I met so many great people and had fantastic experiences (and learned a lot). While at school, in addition to learning more about filming/editing, I also experimented with stand-up/ sketch comedy, and started making music for fun.
Fast-forward to many years later, after working in news video production & editing in the Boston area for nearly 7 years, I went to rehab after discovering I was an alcoholic, got sober, and completely switched career-paths. I now work in addiction recovery and help lots of people, and make music (both as a solo artist and in a Pop-Punk band) with my free time, after 10 years on-and-off making music/ learning through doing.
Out of all the passions I had creatively (filmmaking, comedy, and music) — music would be the only one I still do regularly and stood the test of time. To a certain extent.
Do I use my video production degree now in 2024, in my everyday life? No, not really. But the people I met, friendships I still have, skills I acquired (both creative skills + people skills), and my ability to implement those video prod. and editing muscles when creating long and short-form content for others when needed and for my band/ solo music… I wouldn't change anything. Everything in our path leads to where we end up. It really is true. Comes down to purpose and fulfillment. The two things that make me fulfilled these days are: 1) Helping people in recovery and 2) expressing myself creatively. That's how I define "success" now. Anything positive that happens on top of that, at this point, is simply icing on the cake 🙂
-Sean
[PS, At the recovery center I work at now I even had the opportunity to film & edit several 'testimonial' videos/ interviews for them and it was a blast. They somehow got wind of the fact that I went to school for video production and that I had a knack for it, after seeing some of my edits (music videos, long-form content where I told my recovery story, etc.) You never know what this winding road called life will present to you, and where something will materialize out of nowhere, where you can implement something you learned years ago…]
@purplestarfish90
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I went to a conservatory for composition for undergrad. I didn't end up becoming a working composer, but I did discover that I really liked music history, and ended up getting a Ph.D in musicology instead. Still on the academic job market… but I've published a lot and had a lot of interviews, so fingers crossed something happens soon! But that's a thing that I think is maybe underdiscussed, that you can also end up with a career in music that's slightly adjacent to what you were into. I absolutely don't regret doing a conservatory education for undergrad, as I think that set me up with a really good foundation in music that I didn't have before college, that helped me with my later research (even though it's not primarily focused on classical music) and teaching.
I would say for some to think a lot about the curriculum and how focused it is on music or your specific style of music specifically. For me it was important that the conservatory be part of a larger university where I could take classes in other things, but some might find the Julliard stand-alone conservatory approach more useful. And look at, like Mic the Snare discusses, how much you get of your specific musical focus vs. broader stuff like music theory and music history, ensembles vs. more individual performing opportunities, etc., if you're not doing a performance degree how much you're still expected to do performance stuff on your primary instrument. Also, see if you can find out from current students or alumni what the culture of the campus and your particular department is like. Does it have a reputation for success? Is it supportive or more cutthroat? Etc.
@Goose21
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
16:52 disturbing jump scare warning
@mopacwestgate
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
Music school is great if you want to teach…
@oliviabrazier6681
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
It’s funny that Cliff mentioned the other Wheaton College that’s super Christian, I go there and we actually have a pretty intense conservatory of music program. I get that the religious aspect isn’t for everyone though
@muenchhausenmusic
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
Very very solid and in-depth video. Respect and thank you!!
Musician without college education here. I think it works out okay enough for me, since my goal has always been to make original music. Though sometimes I wonder whether I'd like to actually get a degree since I feel like I lack especially where technical ability and broad more in-depth experience in various genres is concerned. The major problems I face are more about my own work ethic and Youtube addiction, though. If I got that sorted out I think I'd be able to get ahead just fine.
@AB-el5oy
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I think what's tricky about music school is that you don't learn everything. And I think people who go into it with that understanding that a bachelor's degree is just a starting point have a better time. I expected to be a master mixing engineer, but it's really just a starting point. That's why people get master's degrees and apprenticeships. I'm still uncertain if I didn't learn everything I should have or if my expectations were too high. On the other hand, it's like, if you're paying that much money, maybe it's not unreasonable to expect the moon.
@archiecook55
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
This is a great overview of the considerations someone should take when deciding whether to go to music school. Like you said, there's no one right answer for everyone, it just depends on what your specific life situation and goals are. Personally, I finished my gen ed classes at community college first, and then transferred to a state university for music school. I started out wanting to be a vocal performance major but eventually switched to music education and got teaching endorsements in choral and general music. It took a long time for me to finish but I think it was worth it for all of the valuable things I learned from the experience and the friends I made along the way.
@theretrogamer14
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
Eye-watering tuition costs? Sounds like a film school education, too
@kelefeant
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
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@HRVYGRY
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
Bruh not us going to the same school!!!
@lt.reubenrozeyt5716
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
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@kelefeant
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@seffor
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
This video is very helpful, hopefully my course in salford can help me succeed
@chelseashift
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I feel like this video is applicable to almost any kind of creative field. Thank you.
@kelefeant
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
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@anajulia-mi1bf
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
mannnn…. this makes me so sad for people in the us (and all "first world" countries who force people to pay absurd amounts to go to college). the mindset that college is the time and place to figure out what you want to do in your adult life is the most common – and in my opinion, correct – mindset in brazil, where getting a good education can be (and is for most people) a 100% free endeavour
@kelefeant
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
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@BullyMAGUIREGOAT
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
When are you gonna do a deep discog dive on Michael Jackson?
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@thaisb4197
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
I graduated in computer science and am currently in a existencial career crisis and this video helped me think about a bunch of important things, thanks!
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@benmiller8513
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
10/10 agree. it’s complicated and therefore important to share actual information about these things so people can make more informed decisions!
@ilcavaliereoscusa6758
September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
14:13 dude. How did you know?
@kelefeant
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September 29, 2024 at 9:00 am
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