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The Environmentally Friendly Fuel That Can Kill You | Lightning Round

Joe Scott | October 28, 2024



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In today’s Lightning Round video, we’re going to talk about a recently announced ammonia engine Toyota’s been working on, along with stories about nutritional depletion in our food, a chat with author Scott Carney, and an update on the Earth With Rings video. Enjoy!

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LINKS LINKS LINKS
https://www.motortrend.com/news/china-gac-ammonia-powered-internal-combustion-engine-car-innovation/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-26/china-s-gac-unveils-world-s-first-ammonia-car-engine?leadSource=uverify wall#xj4y7vzkg
https://www.motortrend.com/news/china-gac-ammonia-powered-internal-combustion-engine-car-innovation/
https://www.mda.state.mn.us/first-aid-information-anhydrous-ammonia-exposure#:~:text=Anhydrous ammonia will extract water,that can chemically burn tissue.
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/environment-and-conservation/2022/05/fruits-and-vegetables-are-less-nutritious-than-they-used-to-be

TIMESTAMPS
0:00 – Ammonia Engines
7:44 – State of Nutrients in Soil
11:11 – Eclipse Plans
11:47 – Scott Carney’s Vortex
14:10 – Artificial Earth Rings
16:34 – Sponsor – 80,000 Hours

Written by Joe Scott

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  1. @boudicaastorm4540

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    Hmmm….the problem with shipping anything potentially toxic by cargo ship can be seen in the Beirut explosion though. A lot of cargo ships are old, don't meet safety standards, change hands under a labyrinth of different owner and company names, can get tangled up in international law issues, etc, etc. Trying to trace responsibility for that whole thing was an absolute nightmare. But my main concern really is just how many maritime accidents I've heard about that involved large vessels which weren't cared for properly due to cost cutting, pressure to meet deadlines, bad weather, lack of proper employee training. I really don't think it'd be a good idea to put any more toxic items on cargo ships than we already do.

  2. @patchvonbraun

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    Re: 80,000 hours. I started in my career in 1979, at the tender age of 16. I helped realize the "computer revolution" and shortly after the "Internet revolution". I was, for the most part, a very fulfilling career. Filed 11 patents during my time. Was involved in Internet technical standards in the IETF, ITU, and IEEE. Chaired working groups. Managed working group chairs. Helped invent technologies, and wrote a crap-tonne of software and technical documents. It started to turn into "just a job" after Nortel collapsed, and the corporate grind became much more apparent to me. I semi-retired in 2017, and have a "second career" running a not-for profit that provides educational support in astrophysics, of all things. Many perfectly talented and intelligent people will go their whole lives without really having a fulfilling career. I'm so grateful to have had one, and now a 2nd one in my "retirement".

  3. @flotsamike

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    I'm surprised that Joe didn't mention nitrous oxide, one of the less desirable combustion products of ammonia, is a greenhouse gas that traps/ reflects heat nearly 300 times more efficiently than carbon dioxide . Supposedly you can keep an engine tuned, there will be no nitrous oxide but even if only 0.3% of the exhaust is nitrous oxide, it doesn't fix anything as far as climate change goes.

  4. @WattWood

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    Agree using Hydrogen for fuel is a pipe dream and ammonia is also too dangerous , also Lithium Ion batteries are also not only worse for the environment in production than petroleum engines , We should be focusing on limiting emissions that come from the tail pipe and also developing clean fuels that can work in IC engines either a synthetic diesel or synthetic petrol

  5. @HollowWeird

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    Look everything has its downsides and they're not talking about the same ammonia that you're talking about. Being a little dishonest in this video. Gasoline's dangerous too, so our batteries. Being very disingenuous in this video thumbs down dude

  6. @sampleoffers1978

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    In hybrid cars it can make sense, especially if it can use regular internal combustion engine. Charging station and grids can use it. Nuclear power plant energy could make it, maybe even nuclear waste.

  7. @xenomancer1

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    CO2 is regularly used as a fertilizer in greenhouse agriculture. CO2 in the atmosphere would have to reach a concentration well beyond what has been measured across the existence of the human species to cause problems with food crop nutrition. The air is simply not rich enough in CO2 to warrant such concerns. It is asinine to assert that climate change or human sourced CO2 in the atmosphere is directly impacting nutrient draw from soils via preferential carbohydrate synthesis. Such a change would be below the limit of detection and washed out by noise in data at the present day atmospheric CO2 concentration. Soil depletion is by far the greatest factor affecting nutrient uptake and residual soil nutrients. Monocropping and deep tilling wears out soils and synthetic fertilizers only replace the nutrient in the soils. They do not replace the destroyed mycoculture responsible for enhanced nutrient uptake through roots. As water draws soil nutrients further into the ground, the fungi in the soil is responsible for sequestering and distributing nutrient the roots can't absorb before those nutrients pass below the roots and fungi. With less fungi, those nutrients can completely escape uptake by seasonal crops.

  8. @treavorwhitlock5606

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    I'm a refrigeration operator on commercial fishing boats, Anhydrous ammonia is not a good time, it attacks all of the damp places on your body very very aggressively. Everywhere you are even a little sweaty. You can feel your balls burning immediately in the presence of a small leak, not to mention your lungs eyes nose mouth. I would trust Toyota to make a reliable fueling system, but never all of the random jackasses who would end up operating those stations.

  9. @Wadethewallaby2001

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    ⚠️ if we go carbon neutral, that means that we are also made out of carbon so that means we’ll be extinct. Carbon neutral is not gonna prevent global warming. It’s just gonna make things horrible. I am against carbon neutral. I’m against electric vehicles. I’m against of anything that is carbon neutral.

  10. @atashgallagher5139

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    I'm sure the highly educated American consumer base would understand the fueling station service employees being dressed in head to toe hazmat suits and sealing your car completely shut before refueling it and then making you drive away before the small high pressure anhydrous ammonia leaks get into your car.

    No one would have any concerns over the safety of that and everyone here is completely eager to get away from gas and diesel without any form of resistance whatsoever. Especially not the safety of alternatives for example thinking something silly like EV battery fires make EVs dangerous and we should just stick to gas cars forever. That would be ludicrous.

    /S

  11. @MHellweg

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    I worked at a pharmaceutical wholesaler. Someone dropped 6 one gallon jugs of ammonia in the warehouse and the fumes were awful. Hurt your lungs. What about vehicle accidents?

  12. @stylesoftware

    October 28, 2024 at 6:54 am

    Yea, I saw cyclone bowler arrive, I was sitting on my deck facing west, watching the lightning strikes. At its peak, I counted 1 strike per half a second, the peak only lasted 10 seconds, and then eased off in frequency. It peaked while over the tasman sea, and wasn't very strong when it hit Auckland. Kinda surprised to hear there was any damage at all.

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