Imagination Is Closer To Truth Than You Think | Tom Cheetham

Natalia Vorontsova talks to Dr Tom Cheetham about active imagination, consciousness and life-changing experiences in the context of the philosophy and theology of Henry Corbin, Ibn Arabi and Surhawardi. Tom offers a unique perspective on post-materialist science, having come full circle from scientific materialism through Jungian psychology and Sufi mysticism to the realization that science is not an obstacle to accessing the transcendent. It’s a thought-provoking conversation about the nature of reality and what it means to be human. You can find out more about Tom’s work at https://www.tomcheetham.com/
00:00 Intro: Accessing reality through imagination.
03:58 Corbin saved my soul! From scientific materialism to philosophy of Henry Corbin.
12:23 Can we do natural sciences outside of materialist reductive paradigm?
18:10 Transformative experiences. Crazy stuff? Angels, paranormal, UFOs.
31:19 Are emotions just chemistry, and love not important? What’s imagination for?
35:39 Literalism and fundamentalism. Literalizing – a mode of imagining. It’s just love?
54:39 Access to the sacred: imaginal vs. imaginary. Mundus Imaginalis – the imaginal realm.
01:06:30 It’s all imagination down and up! Corbin’s Neoplatonic cosmology in the 21st century.
01:17:43 Where’s our consciousness? Relationship: brain – mind/soul/consciousness.
01:20:57 What if our world queerer than we can suppose? Consciousness & language.
01:25:37 Sacred plant medicine experiences. Matter-mind, substance-meaning.
01:28:18 Success in sciences: mixed blessing? Learnings from indigenous cultures.
01:37:27 Science tells the truth? Our connection with arts, music, literature.
01:42:56 Corbin’s theology: human-angel relationship. Can we retrieve the imagination?
01:48:10 Should we keep or abolish Corbin’s cosmology?
01:56:15 Nature of reality: metaphysics of Corbin, Ibn Arabi and Suhrawardi.
02:01:33 Does materialism destroy the world? On the richness of being: living is glory!
02:16:40 I didn’t choose Corbin, he chose me! Recommended literature.
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@aeixo2533
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
You're a wizard Tom!
@Garudalintu
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
Hindu Sat, Chit, Ananda made clear here. In opposition to thousands of comments that can be reified: sat, the being itself, and chit, the consciousness itself, but still not illuminating Ananda in western rationalistic mind, the first two are forced into periphery and in fact to disappear completely. Ananda is seen as anti-reified and present womb of the basic space of phenomena without losing the point of it. The trinity is the aspect of oneness. Wonderful.
@imperfekt7905
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
26:45 is where I have to get off. Some people, through imagination, create "real" beings. But only certain mystics can perceive these real beings. I agree that our rational, logical thought needs to be balanced by a sort of imagination that can't be contained in the structures and processes we use to "apprehend" the world, in the words of Iain McGilchrist. But this sounds more like a fantasy than an act of creative imagination.
@gladyslucas198
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
"Keep precious things inside of you", said the emissary to their master.
@IamPoob
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
Empathy is an easy pathway to a higher level of consciousness
@lukefarren3409
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
I enjoyed this a lot and had read 'All the World an Icon' previously. I agree with Natalia, we needn't abandon the emanationist cosmology of Corbin & Ib Arabi, it's still the truest description of reality to me. Jonathan Pageau does a good job of relating with how we interface with reality and how it presents itself through us in a hierarchical manner in his iconography. That said I like how Tom is a fundamentalist about his own experience and really appreciate his work.
@taonow369
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
Western materialism has masqueraded as conditioned idealism without knowing its own ignorance inside a bubble or vacuum may be better word
Or ask Thomas Sowell
@taonow369
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
The Tao can be talked about but not the eternal Tao
@taonow369
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
This would be appear to be old news in eastern thought and new news to the west if I am correct?
The Kybalion for example
And what are your thoughts ( anyone) about Walter Russell The secret of light which also postulates these things
And if you throw DonHoffman into this mix we find abstract idealism at its finest
@mcawesomeytyo3312
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
Materialism sent us to a horrible dark age that we never truly left not even after the Renaissance. Luckily people like Donald Hoffman, Tom Cheetham, Eben Alexander, and Bernardo Kastrup are lights leading us out the cave
@brimantas
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
imagination is very dangerous and misleads a person and the whole society into a schizophrenic state when you can no longer find what is real and what is not. This is very convenient for certain people, because this way they can manage people and make money and could stop real understanding of world.
@randomcitizen3773
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
Tom Cheetham. From Dewey, Cheetham & Howe.
@lauraflint18
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
"Richness of being. . ." That says it all, to me. 🌻
@hobonickel840
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
This show has some interesting characters, however being from the modern digital gulag of the deep southern US and having no book to sell, my observances might rival these colorful chiaroscuro souls from a better more realistic light! You don't need to read books or write them to find your way to the potentialities of truth. It only takes self awareness and sincerity. Cheetham reminds what it be like to meet Newton and not necessarily a good thing as occulted history has dimly shown, in the shadows, on at least four occasions
@maryjones5710
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
Imagination, being able to visualize scenarios with in the mind.
Training to do anthying, stand still and see yourself going through every step, say of a gymnastic routine.
Keep visualizing internally, every move, until you see yourself doing it perfectly,
now try it, or rather, just do it, knowing you have it.
The need to be able to do this is important for all areas of life.
@maryjones5710
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
A lot of rituals throughout history have been induced near death experiences.
It looks like snake venom's were used, they had antidotes.
A dangerous process and may explain some of the deep secrecy around the rituals.
Shamans, oracles, auguries, a designated girl child in the family, to talk to the ancestors,
All of these sought information from a realm that seems to have a very different perspective on events, than we do. It should be obvious to us, that this realm, perspective, is, almost as completely
subject to the changes made by individual imaginations, acting in the world.
No one ever succeeded, by listening to advice from unseen realms, did they?
The ego maybe is to teach us to make a boundary, to contain our creative power.
To learn to trust ourselves, make decisions ourselves.
@FrancoisMouton-iu7jt
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
"Reality is an illusion, albeit a very convincing one";Einstein. Consciousness produces the illusion of humans with brains and everything else in our seemingly physical reality.
@kevinshari8262
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
What is the name of the Brazilian ceremony group , can anyone one go and how often do they have the ceremonies
@bmillerbiop
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
[02:03:30] – (Regarding question of) “why materialist ideology is destroying the world. … and there isn’t a simple answer … there’s not one primary place to push … to make them stop” After my own 20 years of pondering, I do believe there is a one-button solution: de-legitimize the profit motive. Then watch 95% of human-caused problems — greed, exploitation, inequality, environmental destruction, wars for control of people or resources, crime, hopelessness, addictions, domestic violence and other psychiatric problems — largely dissipate.
If imagination is the ground of all experienced being, let’s imagine a different system for organizing human society.
@Unoriginal3
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
This guy knows
@JohnGarrettHudson
October 15, 2024 at 8:14 pm
What those writers did for him, Swedenborg did for me